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Old 02-13-2009, 09:26 PM   #41 (permalink)
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At least the 36% who are undecided are honest. It's better results than I would have expected.
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Old 02-13-2009, 11:03 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Florida is old and cuban. They see whats going on in Mainland america and then rebel. They too will die. Logic will prevail.
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Old 02-13-2009, 11:47 PM   #43 (permalink)
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That's really sad. Especially that only 55% of Americans actually know who Darwin is.
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Old 02-13-2009, 11:54 PM   #44 (permalink)
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At least the 36% who are undecided are honest. It's better results than I would have expected.
The fact there are that many Americans who don't have an opinion on something like whether Evolution is true or not is hardly encouraging.
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Old 02-14-2009, 11:04 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Better that they don't care than they think the wrong thing, don't you think?
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Old 02-14-2009, 04:47 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Once you remove Under God, gay marriage, abortion laws, education reform, etc will follow suit and stop being an issue.
Deep down I hope you're joking because IMO it's a ridiculous over-simplification. Why on earth would removing "under God" from the pledge have anything to do with solving those issues. I think you're just as guilty as republicans are for latching on to something simple like removing "under God" and "in God we trust" and making it into a hugely blown out of proportion topic - you're right that's it a symbol of the church not being completely separated from the state - but it's so short-sighted to think that that's going to solve all the problems in government.

Honestly, I hope the government removes those statements because I believe in the strict separation of church and state. Not only because it's good for the state, but it's good for the church too. The non-separation of church and state is what drove the pilgrims here to found this country on that principle and now because it's convenient to the church to impose their views on the government, the church doesn't want the separation. And now look how the church imposing its "morality" on the state has turned people against the church!
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Old 02-14-2009, 05:04 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I quit being serious once a throwaway comment in my post was taken to be the crux of my argument.
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Old 02-14-2009, 05:09 PM   #48 (permalink)
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So words are the most powerful thing in the world unless they're throwaway comments? Maybe you should put the parts of your comments that I'm not supposed to take seriously in italics or something so I don't bring them up later...
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Old 02-14-2009, 05:37 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Um that entire argument was with Lucifer Sam started because he, for whatever reason, assumed my comment (I mean, Under God is in our pledge of allegiance! It shouldn't have been added in the fist place (fuck you Eisenhower.)) at the end of a much larger post was the crucial point I was trying to make. All the statements made about under god following that initial one were facetious.
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*looks up facetious* Okay, sorry if I took it too seriously then. But I do agree with you about under God being taken out of the pledge.
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