Lets just bail out the world (quote, Lute)

Yukon Cornelius · 02-01-2009, 09:11 PM

Sleepy always has some nice S#$% to say....

"The first socialists predicted a world improved by harnessing technology and combining it with better social organization"
Wikipedia...

I know its not the best place to reference...

sleepy jack · 02-02-2009, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trauma

Sure, incentives to earn cash would be reduced in a Socialist world, but on the flip-side, in a perfect Libertarian world, a few people would have millions of dollars and 80% of the population would be dying from starvation.

If were going to actually be fair in a perfect Socialism world everyone would have the education and knowledge to understand giving your all will be the best for you and your entire society. Of course perfect Marxism would actually be anarchy because government would no longer be necessary. I don't understand why Libertarians insist this could never be a reality (which is true) because people are corrupt and selfish as well as governments with that much power (also true) yet they think absolute economic freedom and power wouldn't be just as corrupting. I find both structures of government in their true form not only possible but terribly depressing. Libertarianism for its inequality and Marxism...well actually I don't have a problem with Marx's philosophy it's just that it's nothing more than a dream. I am for a social democracy however.

Yukon Cornelius · 02-03-2009, 08:56 PM

I say we just let capitalism win and stop postponing the inevitable. Yes we will lose some jobs but in the long run it will be better for most.

Nobody is going to pay 13 bucks for a freakin snow cone unless of course you are pro bail out then your just an idiot.

Maybe rather then send that 55+ guy who has been promised a good retirement out the door you take that money thats about to go down the toilet and give some to him and anyone else possibly per how many years they put in. However you can only feel so bad since that same person is the one who made that company go bottom up.

F all the ideas do the simple smart and educated thing. You say there will be riots?? Think about how much worse it would be if they got nothing. I mean they can't breath anymore not even a gasp. Its about the same as trying to revive a corpse.

Let them fail so they can start fresh....

phantom133pz · 02-04-2009, 03:27 PM

I'm definitely not a socialist; in fact I'd say I'm a libertarian leaning towards anarchy, but I definitely wouldn't say socialism doesn't work. It just depends what you think is better personally. The problem with a completely free market is that most big business owners aren't good people. A lot of them will have no problem opening sweat shops and forcing people to work 16+ hours a day for basically nothing. But I am completely against the bailouts. At some point, the U.S.'s debt is going to get too high and countries will stop lending us money. Then what are we supposed to do? I wouldn't even be that pi$sed about it if the bills stated exactly what the money was supposed to be used for. But I read, on the same page, 2 interesting articles in the newspaper the other day. On the same page, one said that the money from the bailouts is being used improperly by companies giving big bonuses, etc. The other was about the liberals blocking an investigation to determine exactly what the money was being used for, citing some obscure paperwork act about saving trees. I mean, what the f*ck people? We should at least decide what the moneys going to be used for if everyone insists on these bull$hit bailouts.

sleepy jack · 02-04-2009, 10:25 PM

lol the liberals haven't been blocking investigation. We know what happened to quite a bit of the money, the bonuses for one and the "business retreats" the executives went on. If anyone's been blocking investigation it's senators and congressman who the banks have by the balls.

phantom133pz · 02-04-2009, 10:42 PM

Oh. This is why I should stay away from the political forums.

Yukon Cornelius · 03-19-2009, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phantom133pz

Oh. This is why I should stay away from the political forums.

Ill just become a hermit and move to the woods and live off the land.

mr dave · 03-19-2009, 05:21 PM

gotta say the communist in me got a kick out of reading about the recent legislation to tax 90% of all bonuses paid out by any corporation that got bailout money. it's mostly pointed towards AIG, then again they gave out something like 165 million in bonuses, 70 something execs with million dollar+ bonuses too.

last time i checked bonuses were given out based on a percentage of the profit generated over the fiscal year. how can you turn a legitimate profit if you have to beg for public funding?

02-01-2009, 09:11 PM	#61 (permalink)
Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	Sleepy always has some nice S#$% to say.... "The first socialists predicted a world improved by harnessing technology and combining it with better social organization" Wikipedia... I know its not the best place to reference... __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid...

02-03-2009, 08:56 PM	#63 (permalink)
Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	I say we just let capitalism win and stop postponing the inevitable. Yes we will lose some jobs but in the long run it will be better for most. Nobody is going to pay 13 bucks for a freakin snow cone unless of course you are pro bail out then your just an idiot. Maybe rather then send that 55+ guy who has been promised a good retirement out the door you take that money thats about to go down the toilet and give some to him and anyone else possibly per how many years they put in. However you can only feel so bad since that same person is the one who made that company go bottom up. F all the ideas do the simple smart and educated thing. You say there will be riots?? Think about how much worse it would be if they got nothing. I mean they can't breath anymore not even a gasp. Its about the same as trying to revive a corpse. Let them fail so they can start fresh.... __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid...

02-04-2009, 03:27 PM	#64 (permalink)
phantom133pz Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 73	I'm definitely not a socialist; in fact I'd say I'm a libertarian leaning towards anarchy, but I definitely wouldn't say socialism doesn't work. It just depends what you think is better personally. The problem with a completely free market is that most big business owners aren't good people. A lot of them will have no problem opening sweat shops and forcing people to work 16+ hours a day for basically nothing. But I am completely against the bailouts. At some point, the U.S.'s debt is going to get too high and countries will stop lending us money. Then what are we supposed to do? I wouldn't even be that pi$sed about it if the bills stated exactly what the money was supposed to be used for. But I read, on the same page, 2 interesting articles in the newspaper the other day. On the same page, one said that the money from the bailouts is being used improperly by companies giving big bonuses, etc. The other was about the liberals blocking an investigation to determine exactly what the money was being used for, citing some obscure paperwork act about saving trees. I mean, what the f*ck people? We should at least decide what the moneys going to be used for if everyone insists on these bull$hit bailouts.

02-04-2009, 10:25 PM	#65 (permalink)
sleepy jack isfckingdead Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18,967	lol the liberals haven't been blocking investigation. We know what happened to quite a bit of the money, the bonuses for one and the "business retreats" the executives went on. If anyone's been blocking investigation it's senators and congressman who the banks have by the balls.

02-04-2009, 10:42 PM	#66 (permalink)
phantom133pz Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 73	Oh. This is why I should stay away from the political forums.