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View Poll Results: Physical punishment aganist children. Acceptable or Unacceptable?
Acceptable 50 56.82%
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Old 10-03-2009, 02:55 AM   #361 (permalink)
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haha, wow, so I can't buy my kid any video games because he might be punished and have to go to his room one day? That's what it sounds like you are saying.
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Nowadays, it seems like kids piss around because they can't really get punished. If a parent were to grab a belt like the old days, all a kid now has to do is call the cops and the parent gets the **** end of the stick. What else can you do? Send the kid to their room where their video games and computer are? Ridiculous.
You're suggesting here that the only other alternative "punishment" you can think of besides physical is sending kids to their room .. and that obviously won't work because they have video games and computers so it's not much of a punishment.

You conclude that's ridiculous .. But of course there are ways to actually punish kids without beating them. What's more ridiculous is that you don't acknowledge this in your post and so it looks like you don't know them at all.

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I NEVER stated that every kid who gets punished with a belt (etc.) comes out a good kid.
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As a kid, I got the belt so that taught me to behave because I didn't want it. I never ended up with bruises or anything like that but my dad's leather belt stung like a b!tch. I'd be rubbing my ass for hours.

It made me one hell of a better person.
What was the purpose of mentioning the above if it wasn't to make a point that corporal punishment alters children's behaviour in a positive way? It's clear you have a bias in there and think that the general effect of corporal punishment is more well-behaved kids.


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Don't put words in my mouth, please.
I'm reading and interpreting what you write. If you don't like how your posts come across, maybe it's you who should take care to word them better.
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Old 10-03-2009, 03:27 AM   #362 (permalink)
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What?
I was commenting on 'don't reward them with video games'. Unless someone out there buys their kids games after they misbehave, I don't see how this applies in any way possible. Maybe I am missing whatever point you are trying to make here but a kid is most likely to have games in his room. Most people tend to send their kids to their rooms when they misbehave. I know I'm certainly not going to empty out their room everytime they get sent there.


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You're suggesting here that the only other alternative "punishment" you can think of besides physical is sending kids to their room .. and that obviously won't work because they have video games and computers so it's not much of a punishment.

You conclude that's ridiculous .. But of course there are ways to actually punish kids without beating them. What's more ridiculous is that you don't acknowledge this in your post and so it looks like you don't know them at all.

...what the HELL? I don't get why you are coming to these conclusions. I just used myself as an example to show how I was raised. Like I said in my last post, I never said that it is the answer to the problem. I shared it because it worked for me. That in no way means it will work for everyone else. Stop taking it that way.



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What was the purpose of mentioning the above if it wasn't to make a point that corporal punishment alters children's behaviour in a positive way? It's clear you have a bias in there and think that the general effect of corporal punishment is more well-behaved kids.
Oh, WOW, I said quite a few times now that I was just sharing my experience. Once again, I NEVER STATED THAT IT WORKS FOR EVERYONE. Every parent has their own form of punishment. I am just saying that the form I usually got is no longer very accepted in this day and age. I never said it was the only answer to a badly behaved child.


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I'm reading and interpreting what you write. If you don't like how your posts come across, maybe it's you who should take care to word them better.
Nah, I think you're just being arrogant and finding a reason to feel superior here. I don't understand why you are arguing over a simple example. I never stated anything as a fact. I read some earlier posts in which people shared how they grew up so I shared mine. I know a lot of people who didn't get the belt and grew up good people. I never said getting a belt would make anyone proper. I was just personally scared to get it as a kid so I didn't want to do anything bad. It's my own personal experience. I was sharing that. I don't know how many times I have to say this.

There are plenty of ways to deal with a kid who is having a problem staying in line. Most parents choose to send them to their room. That is why I used that example with the video games and computers. Not every parent is going to sit down and have a talk with their kid or send them somewhere to learn how to behave or encourage them to do something to keep them out of trouble.

Seriously, relax. You're getting worked up over a personal experience and being rude for no reason at all. I never said anything about my upbringing being the only way a kid can grow up and be a good person. My older brother never got the belt and he's perfectly fine.


I'll expect another post in which you think you're elite while you break down my posts, assume I'm an idiot and continue to create an issue here that doesn't exist. Feel free to do so. I don't really feel like arguing with someone who flips out over a simple sharing of an experience but keep telling yourself that I infact stated that my experience works for everyone after I said a few times that it doesn't.

Goodnight.
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Old 10-03-2009, 03:52 AM   #363 (permalink)
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I can see you're getting a bit tired and defensive. You're attacking me for being worked up and elitist and you don't seem to actually have an argument for whether or not CP has a positive or negative effect on society - which is really what this thread is about. You seem to insist you only wanted to share a little about how you were brought up without actually tying it in with the topic of this thread.

We're quite a few here who have been seriously interested in discussing this topic (it's why I made it after all). If you write about your own upbringing with the belt, how am I supposed to know you didn't want to relate this to your general feelings about the effects of CP or not? This is what people have been discussing after all.


From now on - for everyone who might think of posting in this thread - don't do so unless you want to add to the discussion of whether or not corporal punishment is good or bad for society. This thread has been popping up every few weeks and I'm tired of seeing this thread bumped by people who are more interested in posting than actually contributing.

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Old 01-31-2011, 06:07 AM   #364 (permalink)
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sorry to bring up this dead horse of a topic but there is some discussion going on lately on a type of punishment called Hot Saucing. What are your thoughts on this?

If you don't know what Hot Saucing it, it is the modern version of putting soap in a child's mouth as a form of punishment.

Here is an article about a woman that is being charged with child abuse for doing it. do you agree that she should be charged?

TV show leads to charge against Alaska woman | KATU.com - Portland News, Sports, Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland, Oregon - Portland, Oregon | News
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Ah, can't vote now.
But... Any type of physical discipline... Absolutely unacceptable.
If you haven't got the mental capability to sort things out by talking, don't have kids.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:20 AM   #366 (permalink)
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lol I brought this up to talk about Hot Saucing :P

I'm guessing you are against it yes?
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:22 AM   #367 (permalink)
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sorry to bring up this dead horse of a topic but there is some discussion going on lately on a type of punishment called Hot Saucing. What are your thoughts on this?

If you don't know what Hot Saucing it, it is the modern version of putting soap in a child's mouth as a form of punishment.

Here is an article about a woman that is being charged with child abuse for doing it. do you agree that she should be charged?

TV show leads to charge against Alaska woman | KATU.com - Portland News, Sports, Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland, Oregon - Portland, Oregon | News


Do I agree she should be charged?

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Old 01-31-2011, 06:23 AM   #368 (permalink)
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I think she is stupid for going on Dr. Phil to showcase her crimes even though she probably didn't think it would be that big of a deal Hot saucing is a tad bit extreme imo and yes I also agree that she should be charged.
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lol I brought this up to talk about Hot Saucing :P
I'm guessing you are against it yes?
Yeah, It's insane. Any type of punishing including incuding pain is insane to me.
What the **** makes people think you should punish someone physically...
And figure it helps?
It's like fighting a war for peace. It's ridiculous.
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Yeah, It's insane. Any type of punishing including incuding pain is insane to me.
What the **** makes people think you should punish someone physically...
And figure it helps?
It's like fighting a war for peace. It's ridiculous.
well see most of the people that are okay with using force to punish their kids think it's okay because their parents did it to them and they turned out fine so why not use the same method with their own children.

Some kids are just straight up bad to the core and no amount of time outs or talking through the situations will remedy their bad behavior.
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