Is the T.V. a brainwash device or are people just parnoid (rock, member)

sleepy jack · 03-25-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

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It's kind of funny that you just copied and pasted the whole thing without any real discretion to what it says. The bottom half - Sexploitation - has nothing to do with Brainwashing and Jeane Kilbourne argued that entire point in a much more intelligent manner in Killing Us Softly.

Anyway as for the real argument you need to look up the difference between effective frequency and brainwashing (and there is a difference.) Effective Frequency, which is what that article specifically refers to, is a marketing technique and there are key variables in it that basically eliminate the idea that it's "brainwashing everyone." For instance if I were to see a commercial for Levi Jeans thirty times but never actually encountered Levi Jeans then there's no chance I will buy them regardless of how many times I see that commercial. There's also the chance I can have negative associations with the product, etc. It isn't a hook, line and sinker technique.

That aside that research ignores the simple human ability to think critically. Just because I see a commercial over and over doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to see the product and buy it. Even if I associate it with the pleasant commercial, which is what effective advertising would do, I could have other fiscal responsibilities or it could simply not be in my favorite color. Arguing that effective frequency, a marketing technique and only a marketing technique, is the mass media brainwashing and controlling us...is just being hyperbolic and childish.

Yukon Cornelius · 03-25-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

brainwashing and controlling us...is just being hyperbolic and childish.

Regardless if you don't encounter it its still in the back of you mind, after all that's the first thing that popped up. That would be money for someone, given they were unaware those clothes existed. You just sold me a pair of pants.

You probably feel that Levis aren't good enough for you and buy more expensive clothing to please more than just you. I can kind of read that in you basically by your know it all mentality. You would not be caught dead right??

jibber · 03-25-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Regardless if you don't encounter it its still in the back of you mind, after all that's the first thing that popped up. That would be money for someone, given they were unaware those clothes existed. You just sold me a pair of pants.

You probably feel that Levis aren't good enough for you and buy more expensive clothing to please more than just you. I can kind of read that in you basically by your know it all mentality. You would not be caught dead right??

.....so if you don't encounter the product, how do you propose you actually spend money on it? Do the evil Levi Faries sneak into your room at night and plant their jeans in your closet while the evil Levi Gnomes steal a few twenties from your wallet?

Yukon Cornelius · 03-25-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jibber

.....so if you don't encounter the product, how do you propose you actually spend money on it? Do the evil Levi Faries sneak into your room at night and plant their jeans in your closet while the evil Levi Gnomes steal a few twenties from your wallet?

Jibber, You dont get it so be quiet.

Sleepy you can Call that whatever you want either way its mind control/brainwashing I could say anything you will twist it all around till your happy and call it whatever. Night all

sleepy jack · 03-25-2009, 09:35 PM

Your post wasn't that hard to get; it was just stupid. Mind control means they're controlling your mind...which they're not. This is what I mean when I call you childish and hyperbolic. Brainwashing is a fairly extreme term for a marketing technique that isn't even effective all the time. I mean the fact you use brainwashing and mind control as interchangeable terms shows you don't really understand any of these concepts you're trying to discuss.

jibber · 03-25-2009, 09:38 PM

What don't I get Cornelius? You're right, I don't understand how putting a product into someone's mind, without that person having the slightest possible chance of being able to purchase that product, will make the company money. Know why I don't understand it? Because it makes no sense. Now if you want to have a debate, how about you actually read my post on the last page, right before you started fobbing everyone off and back up some of the claims you've made. Or alternatively you could admit to being an absolute ignorant twat and we could all call it a night. But for me it's only 2:40 in the afternoon, so I'm fine picking apart your braindead arguments for a little while longer.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 03-25-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Jibber, You dont get it so be quiet.

Sleepy you can Call that whatever you want either way its mind control/brainwashing I could say anything you will twist it all around till your happy and call it whatever. Night all

I don't think there's much to get, this isn't a utopian society just yet.

SATCHMO · 03-26-2009, 01:29 AM

If you are the type of person who is so easily influenced that your values and preferences are formed by what you see on TV then you probably deserve to to march right to the nearest store and buy all the junk they allegedly "tell" you to buy.
I myself find myself being nauseated by 98% of what I see on TV, including advertisements, so unless that's Big Brothers intention then I'd have to say that their feeble attempt at mind control really isn't working so well.

mr dave · 03-26-2009, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Lets just say that at my job it is looked down upon if you dont have a cellular phone for work. They cant make you get one, however seeing as that I used the word virtually I guess that means that its ok to mentally strong arm someone into going against the grain. I think that yes the higher ups are paid for.

Either way it was an example of what I was talking about.

that sounds more like discrimination, one of those HR words no one likes hearing when used seriously. dun dun dun

Yukon Cornelius · 03-26-2009, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

that sounds more like discrimination, one of those HR words no one likes hearing when used seriously. dun dun dun

Mr dave I have always respected your opinions... I just dont believe that people dont think there is a bit of brainwashing going on. Look at what woman have to go through for example, always being compared to the women of hollywood. Those misleading make up commercials with plastic faced women selling a product that they themselfs probably dont use saying it will make other women look just as good, though the results are not even close.

There is a constant comparison, and enough makeup to cover the planet that means money. This also leads to food disorders among other things...

I think its unsat, but the media does this all the time.

03-25-2009, 09:38 PM	#96 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	What don't I get Cornelius? You're right, I don't understand how putting a product into someone's mind, without that person having the slightest possible chance of being able to purchase that product, will make the company money. Know why I don't understand it? Because it makes no sense. Now if you want to have a debate, how about you actually read my post on the last page, right before you started fobbing everyone off and back up some of the claims you've made. Or alternatively you could admit to being an absolute ignorant twat and we could all call it a night. But for me it's only 2:40 in the afternoon, so I'm fine picking apart your braindead arguments for a little while longer. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

03-26-2009, 01:29 AM	#98 (permalink)
SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	If you are the type of person who is so easily influenced that your values and preferences are formed by what you see on TV then you probably deserve to to march right to the nearest store and buy all the junk they allegedly "tell" you to buy. I myself find myself being nauseated by 98% of what I see on TV, including advertisements, so unless that's Big Brothers intention then I'd have to say that their feeble attempt at mind control really isn't working so well.