Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 630525)

In what respect? I've never come across anything nor heard of anything that's perfect.

Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 630515)

The question is a half-cut cigarette, you puff a few before flicking it to the rain sloshed pavement, you coolly pull another light it and place it in your mouth the sweet ash twists down into your gullet like a cartoon snake from a 1940's cartoon short.

A series of questions that lead to eachother even if the actions themselves seem to be in separate ranges of awareness. The wind thing points out, that though we're able to understand where something comes from and even it's logical purpose in the vine covered clock. We have little explanations for the interactions we experience with these moving patterns on the Earth.

For example, your with your girl the day is cloudy not gray but an almost ethereal blue that sinks into white like light through the window in a knob-job cathedral, you take your girl up to a hill which oversees a grassy field that extend fifty miles due east. The outline of trees and the reflective ponds place sporatically on the flat plain gives the scene a picturesque quality to it, and the experience is similar to a distant sound building as it approaches. The wind picks up and it blows your love's hair back, her autumn curls shimmer a bit at the moment her face given a glow of summer long dispersed. It's beautiful and the moment fades, the clouds reattatch and flow on into the silky mold.

I'm not questioning evolution, nor carbon dating, nor anything else that's been proven again and again and improved upon by the human observation and experimentation. And I highly doubt what I've described is any predestined work. But is the ability to feel such a way, the colliding events so small yet so, to be idiotic. . . lovely is it just nothing more than a collsion of patterns in a twisting engine?

I think there is a higher understanding than we imagine, god, whatever you want to call it, continually swims in all forms in all times and I think we're all apart of it regardless of belief, state of mind, or previous action. The Universe is greater and more lively than we can ever know.

Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 630526)

I've been in debates before arguing the idea of Heaven, and to me that if such a place existed, it would require an utter lack of any remnants of the human existence. Including a person's individuality.
But that raises other questions, can a utopian society ever stand while at the same time allowing mankind to have their freedom of will?

Originally Posted by Blue (Post 630578)

I don't really believe in a "utopia," in the general sense, but, I do believe that with the right perspective, you can look at the world itself, not society, as a "utopia," of sorts. The world is an absolutely incredible thing, and though I'll never be able to describe why it works (and I don't care to), I'm never short of stunned as to how beautiful and unreal it all is.

I don't think I really addressed what you were looking for though.

Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 630613)

i swear dawg, if jesus ever tries that end-of-days-return-to-earth-shit ima be like "yo back the fuck up nigga we run dis shit fo relllz."

holla.

Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 630374)

I am Catholic, but I don't believe I need to justify my faith to anybody. If you believe in something, people should not be able to persecute you because of it. I am comfortable letting others know that I have faith in God, it's actually a really wonderful thing from my perspective as you don't feel so alone in the world. Ethan darling, the world can be a lonely place. :) But its great that you can formulate your own opinions on here without losing the plot. Some people on here are useless at getting points across.

Originally Posted by Blue (Post 630377)

But it goes two ways, you must realize that. Not everyone who chooses Christianity goes down the right path. I know a lot of Christians who judge endlessly, and do very negative things, especially to "non-believers." What you're saying about religion saving people can happen with any belief system, but it can always go more then one way.

Also, religion is the biggest cause of war in history if I'm not mistaken.

Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 630381)

That isn't all you're saying. You're also making arrogant and bigoted remarks in regards to nonbelievers. I do love have you've changed you're tune though. I'd still be interested to hear you disprove that you're not a reincarnate personality though.

Originally Posted by jibber (Post 630440)

This I think is the most off-putting aspect to Christianity for me. It's that holier-than-thou attitude that a lot of Christians have that they somehow have better morals, better judgement, and as an extension are better people than me because I don't believe in God.

I know TONS of people who proclaim to be devout christians, and they are some of the most dishonest, mean-spirited destructive people I've ever come into contact with. Christianity doesn't "save" people. I would not be a better person if I were a Christian, I would not be better off, I would not have an easier life.

I'd like you to clarify what you mean by "there is no set principles for non-believing." The way I understand it, you think that people who don't believe in God lack a system of principals and morals. I'm really tempted to go off on that but I'll give you a chance to clarify before I do.

Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 630613)

i swear dawg, if jesus ever tries that end-of-days-return-to-earth-shit ima be like "yo back the fuck up nigga we run dis shit fo relllz."

holla.

Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 630461)

How do you describe the wind?