Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 652790)

I think the concious mind is very much driven by the unconcious gene survival motives. For the caveman, greed and gluttony will come from a want to secure resources for himself and his closely related. Jealousy comes from the fact that if his partner has sex with someone else, he could end up raising a child which is not his own and considering how much resources it takes to raise a child, that's a very bad thing for the caveman - biologically speaking, he's helping the competition. The caveman could still want to be unfaithful to his own partner, males have very little investment in reproduction (the energy spent wooing the partner, then having sex and the loss of sperm) so a pregnant fling being left to raise his children on her own or with her close family might be a good trade-off. It's awful to say, but even rape might might make sense from a purely "scoring-bio-points" kind of way which is why I guess some people still do it, it has a genetic basis likely with environmentally conditioned behaviour on top.

This makes me sound very cynical, but I'm not. If there is an exploitation tactic that targets women (having sex and leaving), then women will of course evolve to try and counter that tactic so it won't necessarily be as popular as I hinted at. I also think people have great care and consideration for those they consider part of their group such as family and friends and possibly also members of their community. The best qualities in us comes from the fact that humans are social animals and our fitness and well-being depends on others. Working together is a brilliant tactic. It's when someone is not part of "us" but "them" (people you are not dependent on) that people on average become more cynical and careless.

I think the "highest" level of ourselves is the expression of the self like through arts or even just the way we portray ourselves here on musicbanter. However, I believe that most of the time, the gene tactics are often part of the final expression then as well.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 653194)

again, i think we share a lot of similar views, we just approach that undefined element from total opposite perspectives hehe.

Originally Posted by pahuuuta (Post 653751)

i thought of something today, if your an athiest and you think you just die and its a long dirt nap, whats the point of living you have nothing to look forward to, dont you think you should believe in something so you dont think that you just die

Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 653919)

Agreed and I'm satisfied with leaving it at that if you are. Even if we didn't exactly reach a completely mutual viewpoint, it was a nice exchange of thoughts and opinions. :beer:

Originally Posted by pahuuuta (Post 653751)

i thought of something today, if your an athiest and you think you just die and its a long dirt nap, whats the point of living you have nothing to look forward to, dont you think you should believe in something so you dont think that you just die

Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 654119)

If you're a theist why don't you just get yourself killed as quickly as possible so you can get to heaven quicker?

Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 654123)

He'll be walking up to the pearly gates, God will be wearing a clown suit and glaring at him when he arrives, then he'll simply say ' Homey don't play that.' and smack him with a hard-rubber sack sending him straight into the fiery pit.