How Real Is Christianity?

Guybrush · 05-22-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SugarRush

Then what is that supposed to interpreted as?

Just general wisdom and guidance. You know, like the fable about the lion and the mouse.

If you read it, you'll see it's possible to get some wisdom from it without having to seriously believe that the event took place and that lions and mice talk to eachother.

~~The Unfan~~ · 05-22-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SugarRush

Do you mean to say you're one of those people who only believe in microevolution but not macroevolution?

There is no difference between the two. "Macroevolution" is just what happens when lots of "microevolution" happens.

Is it a pizza before you put it into the oven?

Guybrush · 05-22-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

There is no difference between the two. "Macroevolution" is just what happens when lots of "microevolution" happens.

Is it a pizza before you put it into the oven?

A lot of christians sort of accept that some evolution occurs - that gene (or allele) frequencies change from generation to generation and so on or that bacterias can pick up new genes in a test tube. It's very easily scientifically proven and basically done every day .. yet they refuse to accept that species morphology can change radically over evolutionary time.

I don't know how they manage to do it, but some still do .. I guess it takes a special kind of stubbornness.

Trey · 05-20-2009, 11:31 AM

I like this thread you guys sound like lil geniuses while i mispell the very word cause I can't download that spellin **** due to some sort of defect in my computer. Or it may be my brain i don't know i don't care anymore but yeah ya'll keep on keeping on this is making me think. Stimulate me god knows I ****in need it

Whatsitoosit · 05-20-2009, 12:18 PM

seriously, I feel compelled to turn in my Christianity card after reading through this thread. Thinking about how the world came to be and how all creatures have evolved is so huge. When I think of "higher power" I don't think "God", but literally whatever power was necessary to start it all in the first place.

Religion can really be a mind ****. Discussing religion with my fiancee, I asked her what keeps her faith so strong and her reply was simply "talking to God makes me feel better". I asked her what if it was some how proven that God or none of what you know God to be truly existed, would you feel deceived? and she said "no, I feel like the idea of God listening to me and being there when I was afraid, lonely or sad was helpful to me in my life and often necessary". So I took that as God really is whatever you need God to be within' your own life, without buying into the hype you can simply just take it as a means to find peace within' yourself.

Stone Birds · 05-20-2009, 12:27 PM

I believe its real, i mean this thing exists doesn't it, but me believing it, not really

Trey · 05-20-2009, 06:50 PM

I can kinda' understand what Christans mean and how they are so determined to believe despite all the evidence against them cause I've felt something too inside. It sounds lame but it's true some things just have to be felt. And for about a month I felt somethin' and I thought about it day in and day out wondering what it was. It's hard to explain I'm not even going to bother but after a while it just went away and so now I'm stuck here wondering was it god or just some kind of mind trick I've fallen in? Ever since then my music style has changed and I've pretty much been a completely different person I don't look at anything the way I did before. It doesn't sound like much on a post in a thread but it's extremely strange and now I feel even emptier than before cause no matter how hard I struggle to feel what I felt those days I just can't. I don't have big words and all this knowledge but if there is a god I don't think he thinks the way we do. Meaning we could think all day about it and never figure it out it's something you gotta' to feel. Although it's impossible for me not to think about it constantly

Whatsitoosit · 05-21-2009, 07:55 AM

I know what you mean. When I was younger and not so eager to figure it all out I would have my spiritual moments. I would go to Church on Sunday and feel good about myself, I would write different types of music that I felt good about. I still write music I feel good about but it's different, it's not as "magical" as it was. Perhaps it's just being young and going through a phase? perhaps it's dissecting the very thing that can't be dissected and not allowing that spiritual channel to flow through as it did when you didn't think about it at all? to be honest even if it's all a crock of **** there is something very moving and uplifting about faith, religion and the morals that go along with it. Sometimes I wish I was still that kid that believed without questioning, simpler times.

Trey · 05-22-2009, 10:22 AM

Why would god want to create us anyway? I don't get it. Why would he just throw us in this world and expect us to just accept he's real when we have nothing really to go on but the things around us which seem to point out that he ain't real anyways? And they say all you need is faith. I got all the faith in the world. But there is a fine line between faith and gambling. Who wants to waste their life worshipping somethin' that's not there. And half the people who believe only believe cause they are scared. That's not putting faith in god. That's losing faith in yourself. And the hipocrytical bastards I went to a Pentecoastal chuch and people would be acting like they're feeling god. They would speak in tongues and cry and supposedly have "a life changing event" right there. Then they'll go home and forget it ever happened. God forbid they tell any of that story in front of their friends. You would think if it was that life changing and if it proved there was definitely a god I mean jesus christ babbling different languages is a big deal...you would think it would be a little more important that how your friends felt about it. But its all a lie. Lies to impress other churchgoers. Anyways if god is "all knowing" and all that he would know. But it's the exact same for atheism. I don't know about yall but where I am atheism has almost become a trend. Now everyone's like oh it's so cool I don't believe in god. If I talk to someone round here who doesn't believe you best believe I'll hear about it within five sentences. But they don't know why they don't believe. They just know they don't want to blindly believe. But blindly not believing is the same damn thing to me. It's just got me confused as hell

SATCHMO · 05-22-2009, 11:47 AM

Ok I'm gonna throw things into a different direction.

Much of the battle between science and religion has dealt with mainly god in the outer physical realm (creation, evolution, etc.). What about the cognitive aspect of it?

Some questions:
Is god essentially the higher self that lies beyond our ego?
Does something on a metaphysical level occur when we pray?
Is having a "relationship" with "God", perceived or real healthy?
Is there such a thing as spiritual health? (like mental health but on a spiritual level)
How does one explain a religous experience,(of which I've had a few), on a psychological or metaphysical level?

05-20-2009, 11:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
Trey Groupie Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 42	I like this thread you guys sound like lil geniuses while i mispell the very word cause I can't download that spellin ** due to some sort of defect in my computer. Or it may be my brain i don't know i don't care anymore but yeah ya'll keep on keeping on this is making me think. Stimulate me god knows I **in need it __________________

05-20-2009, 12:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	seriously, I feel compelled to turn in my Christianity card after reading through this thread. Thinking about how the world came to be and how all creatures have evolved is so huge. When I think of "higher power" I don't think "God", but literally whatever power was necessary to start it all in the first place. Religion can really be a mind ***. Discussing religion with my fiancee, I asked her what keeps her faith so strong and her reply was simply "talking to God makes me feel better". I asked her what if it was some how proven that God or none of what you know God to be truly existed, would you feel deceived? and she said "no, I feel like the idea of God listening to me and being there when I was afraid, lonely or sad was helpful to me in my life and often necessary". So I took that as God really is whatever you need God to be within' your own life, without buying into the hype you can simply just take it as a means to find peace within' yourself. __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face." Last edited by Whatsitoosit; 05-20-2009 at 12:25 PM.*

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05-20-2009, 06:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
Trey Groupie Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 42	I can kinda' understand what Christans mean and how they are so determined to believe despite all the evidence against them cause I've felt something too inside. It sounds lame but it's true some things just have to be felt. And for about a month I felt somethin' and I thought about it day in and day out wondering what it was. It's hard to explain I'm not even going to bother but after a while it just went away and so now I'm stuck here wondering was it god or just some kind of mind trick I've fallen in? Ever since then my music style has changed and I've pretty much been a completely different person I don't look at anything the way I did before. It doesn't sound like much on a post in a thread but it's extremely strange and now I feel even emptier than before cause no matter how hard I struggle to feel what I felt those days I just can't. I don't have big words and all this knowledge but if there is a god I don't think he thinks the way we do. Meaning we could think all day about it and never figure it out it's something you gotta' to feel. Although it's impossible for me not to think about it constantly __________________

05-21-2009, 07:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	I know what you mean. When I was younger and not so eager to figure it all out I would have my spiritual moments. I would go to Church on Sunday and feel good about myself, I would write different types of music that I felt good about. I still write music I feel good about but it's different, it's not as "magical" as it was. Perhaps it's just being young and going through a phase? perhaps it's dissecting the very thing that can't be dissected and not allowing that spiritual channel to flow through as it did when you didn't think about it at all? to be honest even if it's all a crock of **** there is something very moving and uplifting about faith, religion and the morals that go along with it. Sometimes I wish I was still that kid that believed without questioning, simpler times. __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."

05-22-2009, 10:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
Trey Groupie Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 42	Why would god want to create us anyway? I don't get it. Why would he just throw us in this world and expect us to just accept he's real when we have nothing really to go on but the things around us which seem to point out that he ain't real anyways? And they say all you need is faith. I got all the faith in the world. But there is a fine line between faith and gambling. Who wants to waste their life worshipping somethin' that's not there. And half the people who believe only believe cause they are scared. That's not putting faith in god. That's losing faith in yourself. And the hipocrytical bastards I went to a Pentecoastal chuch and people would be acting like they're feeling god. They would speak in tongues and cry and supposedly have "a life changing event" right there. Then they'll go home and forget it ever happened. God forbid they tell any of that story in front of their friends. You would think if it was that life changing and if it proved there was definitely a god I mean jesus christ babbling different languages is a big deal...you would think it would be a little more important that how your friends felt about it. But its all a lie. Lies to impress other churchgoers. Anyways if god is "all knowing" and all that he would know. But it's the exact same for atheism. I don't know about yall but where I am atheism has almost become a trend. Now everyone's like oh it's so cool I don't believe in god. If I talk to someone round here who doesn't believe you best believe I'll hear about it within five sentences. But they don't know why they don't believe. They just know they don't want to blindly believe. But blindly not believing is the same damn thing to me. It's just got me confused as hell __________________

05-22-2009, 11:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,847	Ok I'm gonna throw things into a different direction. Much of the battle between science and religion has dealt with mainly god in the outer physical realm (creation, evolution, etc.). What about the cognitive aspect of it? Some questions: Is god essentially the higher self that lies beyond our ego? Does something on a metaphysical level occur when we pray? Is having a "relationship" with "God", perceived or real healthy? Is there such a thing as spiritual health? (like mental health but on a spiritual level) How does one explain a religous experience,(of which I've had a few), on a psychological or metaphysical level?