How Real Is Christianity?

lucifer_sam · 05-14-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoe

Haha, I was playin.

I don't like the idea of organised religion and I don't pretend to know what's gonna happen to us. But my idea is we are all connected by some energy blah blah blah but there is no higher being. Its just like this same life runs through all of us and nothing ever dies, it just changes.

you mean this:

duh, everybody already knows THAT.

Darkest Hour · 05-14-2009, 10:15 PM

here is what i don't get. If there is no god how do you explain these two things?

How did an a sexual reproducing organism evolve into 2 sexes?
How did a 3 chamber heart evolve into a 4 chamber heart?

lucifer_sam · 05-14-2009, 10:16 PM

wat

~~The Unfan~~ · 05-14-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour

How did an a sexual reproducing organism evolve into 2 sexes?
How did a 3 chamber heart evolve into a 4 chamber heart?

Evolved genders before evolving the system which yields higher output.
The fourth chamber proved to be better for survival and thus better for reproductive purposes.

Guybrush · 05-15-2009, 01:30 AM

Genders is a good way to get genetic diversity which again makes the organisms more adaptive. There are animal species that only have one known sex - f.ex there are some fish hybrids, at least one or two species of reptiles and many stick insect species seem to get by just fine without males. What you have then are obviously females that produce clones. These species are generally viewed as more vulnerable because of a lack of genetic diversity.

Genders are not the same in different species, it doesn't always mean XX or XY chromosomes. In honey bees, the male is a haploid "clone" of the queen which basically means that the queen just lays an egg containing a male and that male has only one set of every chromosome so he has only half as much genetic material as his diploid mother and sisters. Offspring as a result of mating between a haploid male and the diploid queen will result in diploid female offspring.

pahuuuta · 05-19-2009, 08:22 AM

went from talking about religion to genetic diversity?

Guybrush · 05-19-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pahuuuta

went from talking about religion to genetic diversity?

If you try to grasp what's going on, you might see that Darkest Hour posted the argument that genders can't be explained without a God .. but it can. Like so many other things, evolutionary theory explains how it evolved from natural selection.

Some time ago, creationists were pushing the idea of irreducable complexity saying that certain things could not have evolved because until they were "finished", they would serve no function. Their arguments have since been refuted by biologists and, more than anything else, only really served to showcase creationists' typical lack of understanding of evolutionary theory and their tendency to "prove" their own theories only by pathetic pseudo-scientific attempts at disproving others.

Whatsitoosit · 05-19-2009, 08:42 AM

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein.

Guybrush · 05-19-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Whatsitoosit

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein.

Ah, creationists and how they love to use misinformation, taking quotations out of their respective context and thus altering their meanings.

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"Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind"

This is what Albert Einstein wrote in his letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, in response to his receiving the book "Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt". The letter was written on January 3, 1954, in German, and explains Einstein's personal beliefs regarding religion and the Jewish people; it was put on sale one year later and remained into a personal collection ever since. Now the letter is again on auction in London and has a starting price of 8,000 sterling pounds.

The letter states pretty clearly that Einstein was by no means a religious person - in fact, the great physicist saw religion as no more than a "childish superstition". "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this", Einstein wrote.

>> Source

A good guideline is that if a site looks like it might be made by creationists, never ever believe anything they say without thoroughly checking sources first. They are deliberately spreading misinformation in order to manipulate you.

SugarRush · 05-19-2009, 08:59 AM

^Wow, I was literally going to make that exact same post using that same source, lol. Typical creationist behaviour to paste random facts or quotes, only to manipulate its meaning entirely in a non-legitimate way. haha

05-14-2009, 10:15 PM	#512 (permalink)
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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Genders is a good way to get genetic diversity which again makes the organisms more adaptive. There are animal species that only have one known sex - f.ex there are some fish hybrids, at least one or two species of reptiles and many stick insect species seem to get by just fine without males. What you have then are obviously females that produce clones. These species are generally viewed as more vulnerable because of a lack of genetic diversity. Genders are not the same in different species, it doesn't always mean XX or XY chromosomes. In honey bees, the male is a haploid "clone" of the queen which basically means that the queen just lays an egg containing a male and that male has only one set of every chromosome so he has only half as much genetic material as his diploid mother and sisters. Offspring as a result of mating between a haploid male and the diploid queen will result in diploid female offspring. __________________ Something Completely Different

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05-19-2009, 08:42 AM	#518 (permalink)
Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein. __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."

05-19-2009, 08:59 AM	#520 (permalink)
SugarRush Groupie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 20	^Wow, I was literally going to make that exact same post using that same source, lol. Typical creationist behaviour to paste random facts or quotes, only to manipulate its meaning entirely in a non-legitimate way. haha