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Old 05-22-2009, 12:48 PM   #551 (permalink)
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I've searched long enough.
Damageplan: "My search for answers only left to more questions"

As far as it being healthy, well that all depends on how you look at it. In a way it's healthy. people feel safe and find comfort in the fact that they know someone is always there for them. Everything that goes right and everything that goes wrong, it doesn't seem to matter as much cause they feel god has it all planned out. All these reasons, for a Christian, is healthy. For an atheist it's blind and false hope. Then again for those like me who just don't know what is goin' on; it's a double edge sword. it's easy to feel wrong for all the things you've done and you have all these mixed emotions on the subject.
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Old 05-22-2009, 02:08 PM   #552 (permalink)
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I've searched long enough.
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that forces the assumption that there actually is an answer to everything as opposed to life being a constant learning process.

it's a whole hell of a lot simpler to swallow once people stop giving a crap about being 'right'. as if their emotional reaction channeled through their personal perspective on a situation or stimulation is somehow truer than anyone else's.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:45 PM   #553 (permalink)
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No disrespect and I hope I don't offend you, but I believe a lot of religious experiences are basically caused by suggestion, placebo effects and the like.

Imagine if you had a lot of people on a plane and suddenly, someone there had contagious meningitis which potentially puts everyone on the plane in mortal danger. It's not sure how many are contaminated and everyone has to be put in quarantine and thoroughly checked before they are let out of the plane.

In that situation, it's easy to imagine that many people who are not sick would not feel so well and perhaps have imaginary meningitis symptoms. It could be caused by mass hysteria, sugggestion (you look kinda pale) or even a kind of placebo-effect - you feel sick because you think you are sick.
I'm sure situations like what you described occur in churches and other group oriented situations, however I must say that most of my experiences weren't contingent in any external influences as I was alone.
I understand your train of logic, but I was more gearing toward an understanding of how our subconscious mind, collective or individual, effect our perception on a seemingly spiritual level.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:56 PM   #554 (permalink)
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it's all very simple really...

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Old 05-25-2009, 01:27 AM   #555 (permalink)
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i am so hard right now.
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:01 AM   #556 (permalink)
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that's godel's symbolic logic version of anselm's ontological argument, in case anyone actually cares
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that's godel's symbolic logic version of anselm's ontological argument, in case anyone actually cares
i think thats a negatory
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:56 AM   #558 (permalink)
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that's godel's symbolic logic version of anselm's ontological argument, in case anyone actually cares
I don't understand what it says which makes caring kind of hard.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:45 AM   #559 (permalink)
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that forces the assumption that there actually is an answer to everything as opposed to life being a constant learning process.

it's a whole hell of a lot simpler to swallow once people stop giving a crap about being 'right'. as if their emotional reaction channeled through their personal perspective on a situation or stimulation is somehow truer than anyone else's.
I don't mean to sound stupid but I don't really understand that. Everything requires some sort of answer doesn't it? I know life is a constant learning process and there are several approaches to every situation and all this and maybe no one has it figured out at all. Maybe it's just so complex that it just can't be imagined. I don't know but whatever it is there has to be some sort of answer?
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that forces the assumption that there actually is an answer to everything as opposed to life being a constant learning process.

it's a whole hell of a lot simpler to swallow once people stop giving a crap about being 'right'. as if their emotional reaction channeled through their personal perspective on a situation or stimulation is somehow truer than anyone else's.
it seems to me the need to be right has been the backbone of our progression as humans. Science, theory, etc... are all dismissed until somebody is persistent enough to prove it right. I know what you're saying though, some people are just stubborn even when the writing is on the wall to how wrong they truly are. I guess the kind of people who make a difference with persistence are intelligent ones.

on a different note, my fiancee and I are both Catholic but we were both brought up differently in that I was raised more with the fear of God as she was raised with the love of God. You can certainly tell the difference between the two of us, I act more out of guilt and she acts more out of kindness. I struggled with the idea of raising my kids catholic because of my own experiences but I must say being with somebody that has a healthier take on religion has made me reconsider this. We have discussed it a lot and I told her I will never raise my kids to believe the stories in the bible are fact, I will just allow them to grasp the morals and meaning within' the stories. When they are of age to make up their own minds I will do nothing to persuade them either way, I will just support whatever way they decide to go.
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