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sleepy jack 05-31-2009 10:08 PM

Do you know anything about evolution?

Darkest Hour 05-31-2009 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 669977)
Do you know anything about evolution?

no, that's why i asked the question.

mr dave 05-31-2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 669980)
no, that's why i asked the question.

well then...

unlike video games where an upgrade (read: evolution) takes place not everything gets auto-updated to the new tech. old video games depicted this more accurately where you could still have 1st tier units and final tier units on the same battlefield.

basically, just because something evolves from something else doesn't mean that the original species goes extinct or immediately adapts itself into the new species. we're talking about a process that theoretically spans thousands of years after all, it seems logical that the overlap would last for centuries, no?

i'm sure someone with a proper biological background (Tore..........) would be able to provide a more scientific explanation.

Guybrush 05-31-2009 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 669967)
if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

It's about divergence and speciation. Not all higher apes became humans. Imagine millions of years back, there would be a common ancestor of orangutans, gorillas, humans, chimpanzees and bonobos ..

http://info.mcmaster.ca/~mlou/lts/im...pe_species.jpg

That common ancestor was at the very bottom. When it reached the first fork up the phylogenetic tree, that means that the species then became two species where one branched out and started evolving to what we know today as orangutans. Moving one more fork up on the tree, the species that would become gorillas diverged. This means that going back millions of years on that tree, f.ex to 6 million years ago, there were only 3 species on this chart - orangutans, gorillas and the common ancestor of humans and chimps/bonobos. Make a bigger tree and go back and you could find the common ancestor between humans and cats. Even further back, humans and birds - humans and fish and so on.

There are many factors in speciation. The most obvious and perhaps easiest way to imagine it happen is if you have one ancestor species and it spreads over a large area, then some of them become geographically isolated from others of it's species. Just imagine one population at one side of a chasm or a mountain and another population on the other side. The environmental conditions are not the same on both and the populations can't interbreed, so over time they both adapt to the conditions on their respective side and as a result, diverge and become two separate species.

In truth, there are many things that could add to speciation (doesn't have to be by isolation of populations which is called allopatric speciation) and it's a hot topic still being studied by evolutionary scientist.

Feel free to ask if there's anything else you'd like to know.

Darkest Hour 05-31-2009 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 670019)
It's about divergence and speciation. Not all higher apes became humans. Imagine millions of years back, there would be a common ancestor of orangutans, gorillas, humans, chimpanzees and bonobos ..

http://info.mcmaster.ca/~mlou/lts/im...pe_species.jpg

That common ancestor was at the very bottom. When it reached the first fork up the phylogenetic tree, that means that the species then became two species where one branched out and started evolving to what we know today as orangutans. Moving one more fork up on the tree, the species that would become gorillas diverged. This means that going back millions of years on that tree, f.ex to 6 million years ago, there were only 3 species on this chart - orangutans, gorillas and the common ancestor of humans and chimps/bonobos. Make a bigger tree and go back and you could find the common ancestor between humans and cats. Even further back, humans and birds - humans and fish and so on.

There are many factors in speciation. The most obvious and perhaps easiest way to imagine it happen is if you have one ancestor species and it spreads over a large area, then some of them become geographically isolated from others of it's species. Just imagine one population at one side of a chasm or a mountain and another population on the other side. The environmental conditions are not the same on both and the populations can't interbreed, so over time they both adapt to the conditions on their respective side and as a result, diverge and become two separate species.

In truth, there are many things that could add to speciation (doesn't have to be by isolation of populations which is called allopatric speciation) and it's a hot topic still being studied by evolutionary scientist.

Feel free to ask if there's anything else you'd like to know.

that makes sense. Thanks.

Scarlett O'Hara 06-01-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 333 (Post 668493)
Hooray. You all are still arguing about something that we will never completely agree on. I'm going to go read my teen bible now.

Yeah I don't think this topic is even worth arguing, no one is going to change their mind (unless they actually realise which side they truely belong on, which is rare).

Go the teen bible! I have one from primary school that I still use. It's got random artwork in it that's a bit childish but the content itself is pretty standard.

Zer0 06-01-2009 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 669967)
if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

I cant believe someone actually posted that

SATCHMO 06-01-2009 06:07 PM

It's really sad that any of this has anything to do with religion.

Maybe we could talk about the scientific probability of the hand of God scooping up some dirt and fashioning a man out of it?

sleepy jack 06-01-2009 11:00 PM

Tell that Florida!

Whatsitoosit 06-02-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero1986 (Post 670415)
I cant believe someone actually posted that

I think it's a valid question when pondering this sorta stuff.


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