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I don't need the bible to tell me to be a straight male who never shaves or eats shellfish.

i'm an atheist. i have morals. that seems to be an impossible paradox in the christian world because in as their regime and beleifs have evolved they seem to still think that the only reason to be a good person is that great milk shake pool in the sky and to not buring the fires of hell.

i love jesus and try and follow his teachings as best as i can. he is not god. that is retarded.

even ghandi has been quoted "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians
. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

in conclusion everything you know is wrong, there is no good or bad. humans created those things to control the very narrow scope of what we know to be true. there is only energy and matter and speculation.

If there's no good or bad then how can you quote Ghandi and treat it like Christians are any less moral than you? Selective relativism isn't relativism at all.

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Originally Posted by lieasleep (Post 668481)

in conclusion everything you know is wrong, there is no good or bad. humans created those things to control the very narrow scope of what we know to be true. there is only energy and matter and speculation.

that's incorrect. there most definitely is a good or bad. they just don't directly correlate with right and wrong.

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 668487)

If there's no good or bad then how can you quote Ghandi and treat it like Christians are any less moral than you? Selective relativism isn't relativism at all.

wow my mouth is full of words i didn't say.

Hooray. You all are still arguing about something that we will never completely agree on. I'm going to go read my teen bible now.

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Originally Posted by pahuuuta (Post 628737)

Well, im probably going to guess most people on here are christians, and sorry to say that i'm not and the bible just doesnt give me enough faith to believe in god, im the kind of person that has to see it to believe it, whether or not that is a good or bad thing. anyway i was reading bits and pieces of the bible and it just has some flaws in it, lets list some shall we?

firstly, the snake taunted adam and eve with a apple from the tree in the garden of eden, correct? the garden of eden "was" located in israel, which is near the mediterranean. . . . .apples DO NOT grow in the mediterranean....

secondly, at one point there was only cain, able and adam and eve, so think about this, where did cain's wife come from?

i will become a christian right now if someone answers that question for me, to this day no one can answer it, it was used in the Scopes Trial (1925). NO ONE CAN ANSWER IT, where did she come from.

So seeing as how not even the biggest christian can answer this question, i will have to say there is no way to defend the biblical record. . . .

discuss.

I'm about 60 pages behind in this discussion, so I'm sure my point as been addressed repeatedly, but you quote from the Book of Genesis, which is not exclusively a Christian story.

Genesis is the first book of the Jewish Torah, the most sacred writings in Judaism). The Torah was canonized into part of the Christian Bible per the Council of Nicea. Islam also recognizes the Torah as sacred writings.

These stories are extremely old myths (thousands of years old as they were probably written around 1400 B.C.) that were used to explain the "creation." Judaism believes that Moses wrote these books with divine inspiration from G-D, but ultimately they are moral stories that had relevancy to their time period.

It is harder to take these stories literally now because firstly, they have been translated from the original ancient Hebrew language many times over and secondly, the stories will subtly change through time - I don't believe the forbidden fruit was introduces as an apple until the 17th century.

Nobody claims the fruit was an apple. They just needed something fruity looking for visual reenactment.

I love apples. They're delicious

if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?