Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice

Double X · 06-06-2009, 11:57 AM

If abortions are banned people will just hop the border to Canada...if they want one they will have it.

TheBig3 · 06-06-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Wear a condom and be smarter sexually?

Thats the problem, we have too many people barring Birth Control. The Bush Administration, the Catholic Church...

~~Gareth Brown~~ · 06-09-2009, 08:18 PM

Pro-Choice. Even if you were to outlaw abortions you'd just create a black market of backstreet abortions that would be alot more dangerous and unsanitized.

Son of JayJamJah · 06-09-2009, 09:29 PM

Excellent thread as it turns out; a lot of really unique perspectives and thoughtful responses.

Here's some of the Highlights for me and my commentary on them.

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

i'm not too keen on choice or life. poor people should stop making bunny rabbits.

This really is the core of the problem. Where I live you must be licensed to drive a car, get married, cut hair and fish but anyone regardless of finical, mental or psychological qualification can be given full responsibility for a human life from birth.

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

I don't understand how an individual or government has the right to tell another individual what does or doesn't constitute life (when they don't actually know) and what they can or can't do with their own body.

This really is the core of problem with the anti-baby murder side. I believe the choice should be up to each person and each doctor individually. It most certainly is a moral issue and a persons moral beliefs should not e deterred or enforced by the government.

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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction

Having the right to take away rights is, and always will be, the fundamental f*cking reason we will always be slaves.

Calling ourselves slaves devalues a very good point about the limitations of democratic freedom. I pretty much can do whatever I want aside from harming someone else (which is how it should be) but I always have to worry about "the man" looking over my shoulder ready to rape (poor choice of word?) me because I forgot to dot and i or cross a t.

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

For the sake of arguing about what defines life, we know what ends life so I'd assume the opposite of that. We know that when the brain stops activity and functioning that that is death. So the functioning of the brain is perhaps when life starts? If so life begins about 2 months after conception.

Very logical but way to subjective to a definition to hold as any sort of a standard. I think this sentiment combined with some fo what Toretordon was saying to the effect of a fetus not feeling as much pain as an adult really makes sense.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

No, its certainly not. But I doubt few having sex don't know that father/motherhood is a potential outcome.

I'm pro-choice. To clarify my position though, i'd like to point out its about choice not

its not yet a human so it isn't murder
its my body blah blah blah
we shouldn't have it if we can't afford it

For me, I don't need to include that list in the policy of it all. Those things are for individuals to decide I will say though that I believe people that have the children when they can't are generally a larger strain on your community than any person should be.

This probably sums it up best for me.

It's none of my business. I don't like abortion personally, I do suspect it's a little too convenient and that personal responsibility has a place in life that is being driven out way too casually. But regardless I have no right making that choice for anyone else and that is the foundation of my position.

SATCHMO · 06-09-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

It's none of my business. I don't like abortion personally, I do suspect it's a little too convenient and that personal responsibility has a place in life that is being driven out way too casually. But regardless I have no right making that choice for anyone else and that is the foundation of my position.

I probably could not explain my own personal opinion on the issue as well as you have, so I will let your words stand for my own.

crash_override · 06-11-2009, 11:20 PM

Pro-Choice vs. Pro-No Choice

Which sounds more constitutional?

Astronomer · 06-11-2009, 11:32 PM

This issue is really personal to me because I've seen it in my life first hand. I am pro-choice. This is probably really unfair of me, but I find it hard to listen to opinions of people who don't have a uterus. Because they have no idea what it's like to be a woman faced with pregnancy.

crash_override · 06-12-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by shiseido red

This issue is really personal to me because I've seen it in my life first hand. I am pro-choice. This is probably really unfair of me, but I find it hard to listen to opinions of people who don't have a uterus. Because they have no idea what it's like to be a woman faced with pregnancy.

Well at the same time, you have no idea what its like to be a man faced with the possobility of supporting a child or paying child support for the rest of your life. It's kind of a big deal.

Astronomer · 06-12-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

Well at the same time, you have no idea what its like to be a man faced with the possobility of supporting a child or paying child support for the rest of your life. It's kind of a big deal.

True, but most of the time it is the mother that is the primary carer of the child and who pays most of the way (unless the relationship continues into a situation where both parents contribute, but even then research shows that the mother is still the primary carer). It's also the mother that has to sacrifice her entire body. When I was pregnant the father didn't support me in any productive way whatsoever, even though he wanted to, he couldn't, and any financial help was frivolous compared to the rest of the stuff I had to go through. My view is biased, but it makes me angry that these laws are primarily determined and discussed by men.

Son of JayJamJah · 06-12-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

Pro-Life vs. Pro Baby Murder

Which sounds more constitutional?

Good Point.

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Double X sleepe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: boston Posts: 1,140	If abortions are banned people will just hop the border to Canada...if they want one they will have it.

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~~Gareth Brown~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 295	Pro-Choice. Even if you were to outlaw abortions you'd just create a black market of backstreet abortions that would be alot more dangerous and unsanitized.