An Ideal God

SATCHMO · 07-02-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

I'm not rejecting God on the grounds the world is imperfect. War and relationships are similar? maybe so, but one ends bloody. The other, usually ends with a few tears, a few drinks, time on your own and you find someone else. I can see what you're saying with them having the same principles, but relationships build character and teach you a lesson. Millions dying in a war, it may teach you a lesson. But it's too much heartbreak and suffering. A young lad going off to fight in world war 1, get's killed, the parents of said boy are in bits, lost and heartbroken because their boy fought a war in which towards the end, they didn't even know why they were fighting. Playing football in nomans land. If pain is simply here to teach you lessons and strengthen you, why have 2 things that are similar such as relationships ending and war? why not just have the relationships ending to build character. Asking for a perfectly sterile world isn't impossible if God created everything. God created cancer, why?

This is really just the human perception of duality. What we perceive as suffering is really our own personal attachment to what we deem as good, and our own personal resistance to either its lack or the introduction of what we perceive as evil.
Cancer causes pain and death. two very essential components of pleasure and life. I don't know why God created cancer. Why did he create hangnails for that matter?

TheCunningStunt · 07-02-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

This is really just the human perception of duality. What we perceive as suffering is really our own personal attachment to what we deem as good, and our own personal resistance to either its lack or the introduction of what we perceive as evil.
Cancer causes pain and death. two very essential components of pleasure and life. I don't know why God created cancer. Why did he create hangnails for that matter?

Now... THAT is the real question

Not why did God create pain, not why did he create suffering, not why did he create painful deaths, not why did he create violence..

But WHY did he create hangnails?!

When I read "Why did he.." I expected to read something really profound and inciteful

SATCHMO · 07-02-2009, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

Now... THAT is the real question

Not why did God create pain, not why did he create suffering, not why did he create painful deaths, not why did he create violence..

But WHY did he create hangnails?!

When I read "Why did he.." I expected to read something really profound and inciteful

The primary thing that we know about pain is that we do not like it (unless your a masochist and that's a different story), but what would our lives be like without it. Whether you're willing to realize it or not the pain and suffering that you've gone through or will go through is the greatest provider of true wisdom in your life, both on a pragmatic biological level and on an emotional level.
But we know we don't like it and many of us truly never get past that. We ask god "why?!?!?" There's pain to give contrast to joy and so we can internalize and grow through the lessons that rough periods in our life provide us with. Who hasn't gone through a traumatic experience and wound up a wiser more mature person as a result. It's true, as George s. Patton said "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger"

sleepy jack · 07-02-2009, 01:18 AM

If a masochist likes pain then is it really pain or is it bliss? In which case is bliss to them, or at least the estrangement from pain, pain in itself? In which case doesn't this all still apply to them just in opposite terms? DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD: ??

SATCHMO · 07-02-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

If a masochist likes pain then is it really pain or is it bliss? In which case is bliss to them, or at least the estrangement from pain pain in itself? In which case doesn't this all still apply to them just in opposite terms? DDDD:

Usually it's either an endorphins addiction or a need to be dominated. So yeah, masochistic pain really doesn't really count. I guess i'm refering to the broad heading of "undesirable circumstances or stimuli"