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Old 08-22-2009, 04:15 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Bravo on effectively dodging just about every point I made.

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Old 08-22-2009, 05:18 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I'm dodging because I, out of good reason, don't want to argue with you.

I made all my points, so I'd rather let someone else speak their mind.
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Old 08-22-2009, 01:30 PM   #43 (permalink)
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What reason would that be?

Also I hope you don't mind me editing my last post. Looking back, I thought it a bit...excessive.
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Old 08-22-2009, 01:43 PM   #44 (permalink)
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had you actually read the Bible (which, in light of this quote of yours, I'm left to assume that you haven't), you'd be well-aware that the Westboro Baptist Church absolutely represents the ideals of "true" Christians. "Fundamentalist", or "literalist" Christianity is, in effect, the only "true" Christianity
Well, yes if you only read the Old Testament. If you read any of the New Testament it largely contradicts a lot of this, starts talking about turning the other cheek and is generally a lot more passive. Fundamentally being a Christian (not that I am one) is about accepting Christ into your life, accepting you're not perfect, trying to lead a good life and asking for Christ and God to forgive your trespasses. You can get hung up on the Old Testament but to do so largely involves ignoring the entirety of the New Testament which is the defining section that turns Judaism into Christianity.

Of course if you'd much rather troll in ignorance and tell people to kill their children and dwarfs you'd be better suited going to a forum discussing Christianity where you can upset people who will passionately give a damn. Or you could actually read the book yourself cover to cover and learn something of what you're talking about instead of hammering in dated clichés.

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The problem arises when these women are ALL thats shown in the media.
The media is beginning to change and improve. It now ridicules anorexic celebs nearly as frequently as fat ones (Renée Zellweger, Amy Winehouse, Mischa Barton, Madonna), referencing British media as that's my experience of it. There are also TV programmes nowadays dedicated to stripping off the obscene amounts of fake tan and push up bras and replacing them with a more naturally feminine look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpVKjbU3F2M

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Personally it offends me that the photo of Beth Ditto is such a big deal. Larger women (and men) shouldn't have any more reason to be ashamed of their bodies than anyone else. We're all human!
Fundamentally disagree. The obese and anorexics have eaten (or under eaten) themselves to a point where their own health is at (major) risk, their ability to reproduce is significantly damaged and their appearance is obscene and offensive. Don't get me wrong I would far, far rather a slightly overweight lass in preference to an underweight lass but when you've eaten to the point of such gluttony that you look like Beth Ditto, your cankles don't ... really ... stop ..., your back aches from all the unnatural levels of weight it's supporting and your rolls of fat are vast enough to home a leper colony you really, really should be ashamed and society is doing you a disservice if it isn't reaffirming the fact that if you don't get on an exercise bike you're going to die.
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Old 08-22-2009, 02:08 PM   #45 (permalink)
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you know,....its not about the right to vote,....or holding the same job for the same pay,....or owning land anymore,.....

i'm a girl, i enjoy being a girl, i enjoy acting like a girl, i really really really enjoy being treated like a girl,.....i've been ostracized for that

**** you feminism
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Old 08-22-2009, 02:53 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I like boo boo's style:

-Long rant that has nothing to do with feminism

-You may say this isn't what feminism is about
(in fact I do say that)

-BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT!!!

Therefore the entire rant is justified. Even though I doubt you've read one bit of feminist literature (your ill informed opinion sure makes it seem that way.
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Smashing rebuttal ol' chap, smashing indeed.
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bungalow does make a point though, that if you ever read a bunch of renowned feminist literature you will see that women wanting to be like/hating men is not what feminism is about at all. True feminism is simply about equal rights for each of the sexes. All this man-hating, wanting to look like a man bullshit is radical feminism which has only emerged in recent times and like I said serves no significant purpose in society. But true, original feminism does.

This is probably a major flaw of mine but I find it really hard to listen to opinions on feminism from people who 1) Know nothing about feminism and its origins and 2) Have no idea what it is like to be a woman in this world.
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bungalow does make a point though, that if you ever read a bunch of renowned feminist literature you will see that women wanting to be like/hating men is not what feminism is about at all. True feminism is simply about equal rights for each of the sexes. All this man-hating, wanting to look like a man bullshit is radical feminism which has only emerged in recent times and like I said serves no significant purpose in society. But true, original feminism does.
I admit to not knowing any of that, but I never claimed to know what "real" feminism is, I just know what it isn't and no I don't consider these people to be true feminists, never claimed they were. The founding of the movement or it's true ideals is not the issue I'm discussing, just the way it's bastardized like any other political ideal or movement.

But you know, having to point out for sheer convenience the specific kind of viewpoint I'm talking about when it should be obvious to anyone with a brain is kinda pointless. I didn't feel obligated to put "radical" or "some" in front of the word "feminists" every damn time. I just assumed people would get right off the bat what I was talking about.

But hooray for completely ignoring everything I said just to make assumptions about me based on absolutely nothing.

EDIT: Last bit directed at Bungalow not you.
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I admit to not knowing any of that, but I never claimed to know what "real" feminism is, I just know what it isn't and no I don't consider these people to be true feminists, never claimed they were. The founding of the movement or it's true ideals is not the issue I'm discussing, just the way it's bastardized like any other political ideal or movement.

But you know, having to point out for sheer convenience the specific kind of viewpoint I'm talking about when it should be obvious to anyone with a brain is kinda pointless. I didn't feel obligated to put "radical" or "some" in front of the word "feminists" every damn time. I just assumed people would get right off the bat what I was talking about.

But hooray for completely ignoring everything I said just to make assumptions about me based on absolutely nothing.

EDIT: Last bit directed at Bungalow not you.
Well I did know what you were talking about immediately, because I feel the same way about these 'radical' feminists or whatever we wish to call them. I just felt the need to point out that not all feminism is like that because even though you are referring to one particular strain of feminist action, a lot of people are misguided into thinking that all feminism is like this. So I just felt the need to point that out. Otherwise I completely agree with you when you make the point that radical feminism is slightly outrageous and I do know what you are talking about.
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