Do you believe in ghosts?

CanwllCorfe · 03-08-2011, 12:12 AM

Wait a minute.. you were talking about believing in ghosts right? Jesus. I hope you weren't talking about religion. Because I definitely am not that kind of believer.

And this is somewhat relevant, but I've found that religious people tend to not believe in ghosts because there really can't be in an between. You die, and then go to heaven or hell.

**Janszoon** · 03-08-2011, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

Wait a minute.. you were talking about believing in ghosts right? Jesus. I hope you weren't talking about religion. Because I definitely am not that kind of believer.

I guess I don't really see the difference.

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

And this is somewhat relevant, but I've found that religious people tend to not believe in ghosts because there really can't be in an between. You die, and then go to heaven or hell.

It sounds like you're talking specifically about Christians, not religious people in general. But even if you restrict the discussion to just them I think you'd find plenty who believe in ghosts, not to mentioned the fact that all of them believe in the holy ghost.

CanwllCorfe · 03-08-2011, 10:38 AM

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I guess I don't really see the difference.

Religion is based off of books and stories from thousands of years ago. To experience something unexplained, you can do so firsthand. I don't see how religion and the unexplained are related. On top of that is worship and prayer. And a myriad of other things. Like holidays. And church dinners.

Oh, and the belief in one specific holy.. guy. Who died. Who I guess is supposed to be VERY important.

ThePhanastasio · 03-08-2011, 12:14 AM

I'm not religious, but I think that ghosts and paranormal phenomena is more plausible. I'm kind of iffy on it, but I've had some weirdness personally that I've never been able to quite explain away.

duga · 03-08-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I guess I don't really see the difference.

It sounds like you're talking specifically about Christians, not religious people in general. But even if you restrict the discussion to just them I think you'd find plenty who believe in ghosts, not to mentioned the fact that all of them believe in the holy ghost.

Janszoon, you are a smart guy but this really is an over-generalization. You don't see a difference? Really? So now you are lumping me in with the religious fanatics of the world? There is a huge difference. Atheists and theists alike can surely agree we are conscious beings. Philosophers across history have tried to figure that mystery out... Many of them atheists. I won't speak for everyone but when I say ghost I mean a phenomenon that involves someone who has passed away... Be it caused by a massive release of energy or an actual "soul". The point is we don't know what causes these things, but they certainly don't have to have a religious connection. It's just a human connection.

I think you and RVCA are focusing way too much on semantics because I seem to be having a very hard time explaining I believe these things happen without coming off as a religious nut.

RVCA · 03-08-2011, 03:48 PM

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Janszoon, you are a smart guy but this really is an over-generalization. You don't see a difference? Really? So now you are lumping me in with the religious fanatics of the world? There is a huge difference. Atheists and theists alike can surely agree we are conscious beings. Philosophers across history have tried to figure that mystery out... Many of them atheists. I won't speak for everyone but when I say ghost I mean a phenomenon that involves someone who has passed away... Be it caused by a massive release of energy or an actual "soul". The point is we don't know what causes these things, but they certainly don't have to have a religious connection. It's just a human connection.

I think you and RVCA are focusing way too much on semantics because I seem to be having a very hard time explaining I believe these things happen without coming off as a religious nut.

Semantics? You are supporting dualism, no matter how hard you try to disguise it. I think there is a very fine line between religion and spirituality, but I am equally skeptical to both.

CanwllCorfe · 03-08-2011, 10:52 AM

Yeah that's what I'm saying. I can maybe see a faint similarity, but not really. I don't see how they're even related, let alone not being able to tell the difference. That's just ludicrous. Armin van Buuren and The Horrorist both make Electronic music. Also, they are both people.

**Janszoon** · 03-08-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

Janszoon, you are a smart guy but this really is an over-generalization. You don't see a difference? Really? So now you are lumping me in with the religious fanatics of the world? There is a huge difference. Atheists and theists alike can surely agree we are conscious beings. Philosophers across history have tried to figure that mystery out... Many of them atheists. I won't speak for everyone but when I say ghost I mean a phenomenon that involves someone who has passed away... Be it caused by a massive release of energy or an actual "soul". The point is we don't know what causes these things, but they certainly don't have to have a religious connection. It's just a human connection.

I think you and RVCA are focusing way too much on semantics because I seem to be having a very hard time explaining I believe these things happen without coming off as a religious nut.

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

Yeah that's what I'm saying. I can maybe see a faint similarity, but not really. I don't see how they're even related, let alone not being able to tell the difference. That's just ludicrous. Armin van Buuren and The Horrorist both make Electronic music. Also, they are both people.

I guess I tend to view matters of life after death and souls and whatnot as falling under the purview of religion. I'm honestly pretty surprised that that seems like a strange notion to the two of you.

CanwllCorfe · 03-08-2011, 11:36 PM

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I guess I tend to view matters of life after death and souls and whatnot as falling under the purview of religion. I'm honestly pretty surprised that that seems like a strange notion to the two of you.

I am a Buddhist satanist. I am offend.

duga · 03-08-2011, 11:05 AM

And for the record Canwllcorfe is right, Christians aren't supposed to believe in ghosts. It negates the idea of heaven and hell and a final judgement. The word ghost in holy ghost refers to a holy soul. That is not how we are using it.

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CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	Wait a minute.. you were talking about believing in ghosts right? Jesus. I hope you weren't talking about religion. Because I definitely am not that kind of believer. And this is somewhat relevant, but I've found that religious people tend to not believe in ghosts because there really can't be in an between. You die, and then go to heaven or hell. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

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CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	Yeah that's what I'm saying. I can maybe see a faint similarity, but not really. I don't see how they're even related, let alone not being able to tell the difference. That's just ludicrous. Armin van Buuren and The Horrorist both make Electronic music. Also, they are both people. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

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duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	And for the record Canwllcorfe is right, Christians aren't supposed to believe in ghosts. It negates the idea of heaven and hell and a final judgement. The word ghost in holy ghost refers to a holy soul. That is not how we are using it. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

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