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wow. a hefty opinion. no offense or anything, but do you care to extrapolate? all you have here is an assemblage of words, and no back-up.

EDIT: perhaps you like the idea of eugenics? or maybe mass extermination? tell us how to make it happen.

OccultHawk

Yes, I'm a Hitler wannabe. That's ALWAYS the reply. No, it's not worth backing up. If you can't see there are too many damn people then there's nothing I can do to help you. I can't help you believe in evolution either. You either see what's in front of you or you don't.

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it sounds like your perspective is limited by contempt prior to investigation.

i'm curious as to how much research you've done on the topic of over-population. there are just as many specialists saying the earth is fit to house upwards of 30 billion people.

and if you'd like to talk to me about evolution, perhaps you should note that technology is an intrinsic aspect of evolution, and it is technology which Jacques Fresco envisions as being the saviour of humanity. it is, after all, the only presence capable of even assimilating the information needed to feed all the hungry people and house the homeless (to start).

and the whole hitler thing... gimme a break. it's exactly what you should expect if you're gonna go spouting off about "population stabilization." unless of course, you can find it within yourself to explain the idea in a light no one's considered in this thread thus far...

OccultHawk

Right. To recognize that there are too many people in the world makes you a Hitler. Great argument. You win. Congrats and go have kids. Hitler didn't have any kids and as long as you're the exact opposite of Hitler in every way you have to be right.

Great. I was starting to worry that we were depleting the earth's resources faster than they're being replenished.

The only conversation worth having is what's the best why to reduce the world's human population. People who think the world can handle even more aren't worth dignifying with argument. I don't argue with creationists either. Their points aren't worth considering. Overpopulation is smashing us in the face a million times a day. It's like someone getting kicked in the nuts everyday and saying 'Hey it's cool. I can take getting kicked in the nuts a hundred times a day! My doctor says it's not going to kill me! Plus, nobody is kicking me in the nuts. Prove it! Where's your proof?' While he sits there with crushed testicles and a bruised scrotum.

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i'm not the one who brought up hitler. that was you. i used the terms "mass extermination" and "eugenics" because those are the only two ways that i can personally think of that would aid in solving said problem of all problems. the fact that hitler is the most recognized practitioner of those methods does not mean that i say whoever recognizes overpopulation is hitler. you are putting words in my mouth.

if you read from your first post here onward over again, you might find that i'm trying to get you to have "the only conversation worth having," as you put it. i'm not calling you hitler. it's just that in my mind, the only way to reduce the population is to kill people. what i'm wondering, is whether or not there's a way that i'm not aware of.

as far as feeding more people than we currently do, it's not a resource problem. it's a technical problem. the only reason it's a technical problem is that our world is based in capitalism... which is based on money... which used to be based on a tangible standard called gold... but now is 97% fiat and thus AN ILLUSION.

PS. to address a couple of your blatant assumptions: i am not a creationist and i also am conscious enough to see that perhaps children are not a good idea.

OccultHawk

OK

Let's talk about Japan. The Japanese government is actually encouraging its citizens to have more children because they need to fund their social security base. What they should be doing is rewarding people who don't have children and who are willing to be sterilized. The younger a person is sterilized the greater the reward should be. Japan also should give up on capitalism because a system that depends on constant expansion in a finite universe is doomed from the get go. In the mean time Japan should care for the elderly they do have by giving up their wildly expensive military that they never use anyway.

Just one example.

No one should be killed but people should be rewarded for making the responsible choice not to breed. That's the starting point.

TockTockTock

The idea is appealing, but it seems a bit unrealistic.

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THERE YA GO! see?! you just spread awareness man!!

OccultHawk

My ideas or the original ideas of the thread?

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to jackpat... what about it seems unrealistic?