The problems with homosexuality

~~Rubato~~ · 12-25-2011, 06:11 PM

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And exactly what you are saying is why an employer might dismiss someone such as a transgender, from peer pressure. As long as the public infrastructure does not accept this, then businesses have no choice but to either cater to them or fail.

We change the cultural point of view first and then we'll see everything else change accordingly. Bottom line in business is to stay in business, if you cater to a client that abhors green men, you tend to avoid hiring green men, if a purple man changes his color to green it will be jeopardizing the business and a decision needs to be met.

If minorities are effectively forced out of society how can you change the cultural point of view? You'd just drive everyone further apart. Laissez faire economics might be able to work out social issues if the majority of people put their ethics over cheap goods or convenience and if monopolies didn't have the ability of cropping up.

RVCA · 12-25-2011, 06:14 PM

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Yes, I am White

You talk very much like a white person might. I'm guessing you're also straight, because what you're saying is basically "if you're a minority, deal with it."

edit: I take it back, that's almost verbatim what you just said.

SIRIUSB · 12-25-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubato

If minorities are effectively forced out of society how can you change the cultural point of view? You'd just drive everyone further apart. Laissez faire economics might be able to work out social issues if the majority of people put their ethics over cheap goods or convenience and if monopolies didn't have the ability of cropping up.

First they were unemployable . . . now, we're forcing them out of society? That was quick . . .

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You talk very much like a white person might. I'm guessing you're also straight, because what you're saying is basically "if you're a minority, deal with it."

edit: I take it back, that's almost verbatim what you just said.

Straight & white . . . got a problem with that? LOL!

~~Rubato~~ · 12-25-2011, 06:35 PM

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First they were unemployable . . . now, we're forcing them out of society? That was quick . . .

so you're saying they're the problem? if being a non christian makes you unemployable then change religion? I think you're failing to grasp the idea of a society.

SIRIUSB · 12-25-2011, 07:10 PM

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so you're saying they're the problem? if being a non christian makes you unemployable then change religion? I think you're failing to grasp the idea of a society.

LOL . . . wow, can you put words in other people's mouth fast enough?

SIRIUSB · 12-25-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubato

If minorities are effectively forced out of society how can you change the cultural point of view? You'd just drive everyone further apart. Laissez faire economics might be able to work out social issues if the majority of people put their ethics over cheap goods or convenience and if monopolies didn't have the ability of cropping up.

Here's your post I referred to.
First of all minorities aren't being forced out of society, no need to change any cultural view. If anything we need to make it harder to get into this country.

~~Rubato~~ · 12-25-2011, 07:23 PM

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Here's your post I referred to.
First of all minorities aren't being forced out of society, no need to change any cultural view. If anything we need to make it harder to get into this country.

The labor force is very much part of society. Pray tell why it needs to be made more difficult to get into your country, although I sense we're going a little off topic here.

SIRIUSB · 12-25-2011, 07:36 PM

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The labor force is very much part of society. Pray tell why it needs to be made more difficult to get into your country, although I sense we're going a little off topic here.

Well, no minorities are being forced out of the work force either here.
As for the second part of you post . . . the simple answer is because it's overcrowded already. And this is way off topic.

Quite simply, I am stating that if you detriment your job position because you have a sex change, then consider that in your decision to do so. If your employer doesn't feel that this is something good for the business, that is their right to decide what is good and what is not.

Your choices are to deal with the outcome instead of complaining about it, sue your employer, find adequate employment, become self-employed, change legislation in your favor.

I'm not condoning this, and I personally could care less what people do to themself.

~~Rubato~~ · 12-25-2011, 07:56 PM

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Well, no minorities are being forced out of the work force either here.
As for the second part of you post . . . the simple answer is because it's overcrowded already. And this is way off topic.

Quite simply, I am stating that if you detriment your job position because you have a sex change, then consider that in your decision to do so. If your employer doesn't feel that this is something good for the business, that is their right to decide what is good and what is not.

Your choices are to deal with the outcome instead of complaining about it, sue your employer, find adequate employment, become self-employed, change legislation in your favor.

I'm not condoning this, and I personally could care less what people do to themself.

If you're refused work then you can't become part of the work force.

So you're saying employers should be allowed to discriminate but they are susceptible to being sued if they do so? I somewhat agree but I think you've taken an odd route here.

We are doing something about it, we're discussing it.

SIRIUSB · 12-25-2011, 08:13 PM

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If you're refused work then you can't become part of the work force.

So you're saying employers should be allowed to discriminate but they are susceptible to being sued if they do so? I somewhat agree but I think you've taken an odd route here.

We are doing something about it, we're discussing it.

Well, we're really not doing anything about it per se. But anyway, who's being refused work?

Employer discrimination is a touchy subject and there are laws in place, if you feel you have been discriminated against you have the right to take them to court and prove your case.

You can move to California where there is less of a problem of discrimination:

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As of January 1, 2004, California’s Fair Employment and Housing Act, also known as the “FEHA,” made it illegal for an employer with 5 or more employees to fire, fail to hire, or discriminate in any way against employees who are or are perceived to be transgender or gender non-conforming.