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emostreetguitar562268 09-25-2010 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Palatable Vera (Post 936095)
I don't see anything wrong with gay people. I really don't. I mean, I can see why people would dislike them for moral reasons, but... Are they really any different than straight people? Bi people? No.

And that's one of the problems I have with religion(since it's being discussed above). Christianity in particular.

"Yes kids, God loves all his children. Unless they're gay". And I've heard it taught that way too.

Now imagine if there was a little gay kid in that crowd being taught. He knew fully well what being gay meant and he really, truly was gay. But he also had a strong belief and faith in God. Imagine how he would've felt after hearing that. And what if he was a pretty good kid too? Hadn't done anything wrong, wasn't going to, any straight person that was like him would get to Heaven by the standards set by Mr God up there. Except he's gay. That one little detail secures him a place in Hell all because Oh Lord God Almighty, the omniscient Creator that "loves all his children", is a homophobe.

A blatant homophobe at that. "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
thats why im an atheist now, i figured he already hated me anyway (given he exists)

Palatable Vera 09-25-2010 07:42 PM
Christianity just makes no freaking sense to me.

A murderer who believes can go to Heaven under the right circumstances while a perfectly well-to-do non-believer gets thrown to Hell. And sometimes, it's not even their fault that they don't believe.

Consolator 09-25-2010 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Palatable Vera (Post 936095)
I don't see anything wrong with gay people. I really don't. I mean, I can see why people would dislike them for moral reasons, but... Are they really any different than straight people? Bi people? No.

And that's one of the problems I have with religion(since it's being discussed above). Christianity in particular.

"Yes kids, God loves all his children. Unless they're gay". And I've heard it taught that way too.

Now imagine if there was a little gay kid in that crowd being taught. He knew fully well what being gay meant and he really, truly was gay. But he also had a strong belief and faith in God. Imagine how he would've felt after hearing that. And what if he was a pretty good kid too? Hadn't done anything wrong, wasn't going to, any straight person that was like him would get to Heaven by the standards set by Mr God up there. Except he's gay. That one little detail secures him a place in Hell all because Oh Lord God Almighty, the omniscient Creator that "loves all his children", is a homophobe.

A blatant homophobe at that. "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Agreed. I grew up in a staunch Christian household, and my views on religion (Christianity in particular) are pretty jaded as a result. (I'm agnostic)

Say for a moment that we know for sure there is a high power out there. We can call it God, in the case of Christianity. I sincerely hope that God would not be such a heartless prick to send all the gays to hell as some sort of automatic reaction. If God is truly all about love like Christians harp on about, he would look into the hearts of everyone (gays included) and see their motivations, their pain, and the injustice that has surrounded their lives. Then there comes the whole concept of repentance...blah.

I also don't buy into the Catholic church's notion that although homosexuality is something that is innate, it should be suppressed completely and you should repent and ask for forgiveness, or whatever.

Palatable Vera 09-25-2010 07:51 PM
Yes. They all go on about unconditional love, but they've got some harsh conditions. Why would someone put all the time and effort to make this Earth but the automatically damn everybody for some minor flaw(in His books) until they repent? That doesn't seem right, and that would deter my believe in such a higher power. However, the Earth seems too good to be true, so I dunno. I'm decidedly agnostic.

I'd like to believe that there was a higher power, though, and that I could go somewhere besides nonexistence after I die. But really, I'd take nonexistence over being watched over by some ****. >.>

Freebase Dali 09-25-2010 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Have Faith In Me. (Post 935800)
My faith is in Christianity, the Bible, The Lord..you get my point..and although I love my friend (who's gay), support him as a person, he knows I can't go out and shout out my love for homosexuals. I'm not going to judge someone for being gay, or anything else for that matter, because it's not my place, but in the same aspect I also can't endorse it. I'm completely okay with being around hay people, some are some of the nicest people I've met, but they all know how I feel too. I guess what I'm trying to say is that my religious point of view is that of the Bible, I don't 'support' two people of the same sex being together in a sexual manner, or marrying, etc, was meant for a man & woman...BUT, I don't go around shouting about it one way or another. Honestly it doesn't bother me, just don't ask me to support it or give my opinion. I'm just a lot more laid back about it I guess?
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Differences between the old and new testament aside, it's a little hard to understand how you can be both a follower of the word of the bible and "laid back about it".
You're either gung-ho or not. I believe there's even a term for being in the middle about things in the bible... called "luke warm". And I definitely remember there being stuff about that not being awesome at all, in god's eyes.

I just think it's ridiculous that people can play the moral card about these issues and base it on biblical scripture while they're not even following the majority of the rest of the scripture included in the book. It's hypocritical. You have a right to be as hypocritical as you want, but don't expect others to take you seriously.

Palatable Vera 09-25-2010 08:01 PM
^ Exactly.

The people that are all hot 'n heavy about following the laws set up by the Bible get to conveniently choose which parts to follow.

I could swear that there's a part in there about stoning disobedient kids.

emostreetguitar562268 09-25-2010 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Palatable Vera (Post 936106)
^ Exactly.

The people that are all hot 'n heavy about following the laws set up by the Bible get to conveniently choose which parts to follow.

I could swear that there's a part in there about stoning disobedient kids.
now all the damn christians have to stone me twice.

Have Faith In Me. 09-25-2010 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 936103)
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Differences between the old and new testament aside, it's a little hard to understand how you can be both a follower of the word of the bible and "laid back about it".
You're either gung-ho or not. I believe there's even a term for being in the middle about thins in the bible... called "luke warm". And I definitely remember there being stuff about that not being awesome at all, in god's eyes.

I just think it's ridiculous that people can play the moral card about these issues and base it on biblical scripture while they're not even following the majority of the rest of the scripture included in the book. It's hypocritical. You have a right to be as hypocritical as you want, but don't expect others to take you seriously.
Call me hypocrital and "luke warm" as much as you want, because your opinion about my faith doesn't bother me. When I was "laid back" about it, all I meant was that I didn't go around spitting scripture every chance I got, I don't believe in shoving the Bible at someone, and condemning people to Hell because of their sins. That's a little radical for me. I just prefer to take a different approach to it, with a little more respect. Like I said, everyone around me KNOWS where I stand, and I'm going to change that view for anyone, but I'm not your preacher either. I'm here to show love, and tell about Christ's love, and if nobody wants to hear about it, then I can't make them. In the same way, if they do want to know more, I'm still here. I've found you gain more ground that way, that's all. As far as being hypocritical, I also said one sin is just as wrong as another. They're all equal, and you can't pick and choose what scripture you want to follow. Everyone sins, point blank, me included obviously. That doesn't mean you go out and support it.

Consolator 09-25-2010 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Have Faith In Me. (Post 936110)
That doesn't mean you go out and support it.
It would help your case if you didn't treat homosexuality like it was murder, or something. :/

I think the point here is that I, along with a few others in this thread, find nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality.

Which actually makes me want to ask, how can you find homosexuality and murder to be equal acts? I know that that is the teaching, it just doesn't really make sense to me.

Palatable Vera 09-25-2010 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Have Faith In Me. (Post 936110)
They're all equal, and you can't pick and choose what scripture you want to follow.
I suppose that we should go back to stoning babies then? Stop reproducing?


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