The problems with homosexuality

RVCA · 10-12-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

I don't have any logical explanation for whether or not people choose to be homosexual aside from the fact that I definitely didn't choose my sexuality. I don't think it has much to do with the environment, either... considering my parents don't accept that kind of sexuality, and definitely would not accept it if they found out I don't feel the same way they do, and that I'm not straight.

There's no argument here. It's not up for decision. Nobody consciously chooses what they're sexually aroused by; to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. However, there is still plenty to argue about WHEN your sexuality is determined (in the womb? just after birth? in the developmental years?) and by what mechanism your sexuality is determined (which part of the brain, if it can even be localized? Is it genetic?).

jeveuxleson · 10-12-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

There's no argument here. It's not up for decision. Nobody consciously chooses what they're sexually aroused by; to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. However, there is still plenty to argue about WHEN your sexuality is determined (in the womb? just after birth? in the developmental years?) and by what mechanism your sexuality is determined (which part of the brain, if it can even be localized? Is it genetic?).

I do believe scientists are able to find out what part of the brain is for arousal and such. But it comes down to this: is homosexuality ran by sexual arousal, or is it a deeper emotion? What I mean to say is, based on the homosexual community, there are the ones who are sexually aroused to the same sex and there are those who are truly seeking for a life-long relationship with the same sex. Can we pinpoint the emotion? I do not think so. Emotions are a more complex idea. Now the sexual drive however, it is hardwired into us. So chemicals are released from a certain point and allow us to become aroused. What causes this arousal, it is uncertain. Well, I haven't seen proof.

I hope that made sense... I typed this rather quickly.

Arya Stark · 10-12-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

There's no argument here. It's not up for decision. Nobody consciously chooses what they're sexually aroused by; to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. However, there is still plenty to argue about WHEN your sexuality is determined (in the womb? just after birth? in the developmental years?) and by what mechanism your sexuality is determined (which part of the brain, if it can even be localized? Is it genetic?).

There is an argument.
People DO think that gays choose to be gay.

I just dgaf either way.
I don't see the point of trying to figure it out. Gay people are gay. End of story.
I'm sure if someone REALLY wanted to, they could convince themselves to be attracted to someone else. I'm sure there's a way.

RVCA · 10-12-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jeveuxleson

I do believe scientists are able to find out what part of the brain is for arousal and such. But it comes down to this: is homosexuality ran by sexual arousal, or is it a deeper emotion? What I mean to say is, based on the homosexual community, there are the ones who are sexually aroused to the same sex and there are those who are truly seeking for a life-long relationship with the same sex. Can we pinpoint the emotion? I do not think so. Emotions are a more complex idea. Now the sexual drive however, it is hardwired into us. So chemicals are released from a certain point and allow us to become aroused. What causes this arousal, it is uncertain. Well, I haven't seen proof.

I hope that made sense... I typed this rather quickly.

It made sense, and that's why I was careful to say "sexually aroused by" instead of just "attracted to", which encompasses a huge and complex network of emotions like you said.

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

There is an argument.
People DO think that gays choose to be gay.

Well, yeah, but those people are wrong.

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I just dgaf either way.
I don't see the point of trying to figure it out. Gay people are gay. End of story.

That wouldn't really fly with a judge if you were called to defend Gay Marriage.

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I'm sure if someone REALLY wanted to, they could convince themselves to be attracted to someone else. I'm sure there's a way.

There have been cases of brain damage or mental illness where the victim's source of sexual arousal flip-flops (pedophiles no longer attracted to kids, straight people become gay and vice versa), but for someone to think that they can change their source of arousal through sheer will, well... that's called denial.

Goblin Tears · 10-12-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

I'm sure if someone REALLY wanted to, they could convince themselves to be attracted to someone else. I'm sure there's a way.

Being in denial and going to those creepy straight camps (that more often than not cause psychological damage) don't really count as ways.

Arya Stark · 10-12-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

There have been cases of brain damage or mental illness where the victim's source of sexual arousal flip-flops (pedophiles no longer attracted to kids, straight people become gay and vice versa), but for someone to think that they can change their source of arousal through sheer will, well... that's called denial.

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Being in denial and going to those creepy straight camps (that more often than not cause psychological damage) don't really count as ways.

I'm just saying there have to be people out there that choose to be gay.

RVCA · 10-12-2010, 07:37 PM

I don't think those people wake up one morning and decide they suddenly crave copious amounts of penis. Rather, they wake up and decide they're going to acknowledge what they've known for a LONG time; that they crave copious amounts of penis. (Or vagina, if you're the other gender)

It's not "turning gay", it's "coming out".

jeveuxleson · 10-12-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

There have been cases of brain damage or mental illness where the victim's source of sexual arousal flip-flops (pedophiles no longer attracted to kids, straight people become gay and vice versa), but for someone to think that they can change their source of arousal through sheer will, well... that's called denial.

If we find that homosexuality is in fact genetic, is it ethically wrong to force people to become 'straight'? Not necessarily a mentality of arousal/attraction, as you mention above, but it's merely a 'defect' as it would be classified. It's physical proof, not mental, that homosexuality can be isolated, should we as a society eliminate this? Or is that genocide, much like Hitler and his 'Super-race'?

I mean, I'm all for the idea of 'weeding out.' However, I am for the fact of 'Live and let live.' So I'd be torn. But if I truly had a choice, I think I'd vote against it, being a gay man myself. Yet, I just want the best for the society as a whole. And if they truly believe that I am a nuisance, I don't want to become the problem. I don't want my life as hell because I'm a 'genetic mutant.' I think it sort of boils down to having a genetic condition... in a sense. Like down syndrome.

This is all hypothetical of course, there is NO proof yet of homosexuality being genetic. This just comes to show that we know so little about, and therefore we shouldn't react harshly towards it. (i.e. Banning gay marriage, exile, etc.)

RVCA · 10-12-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jeveuxleson

If we find that homosexuality is in fact genetic, is it ethically wrong to force people to become 'straight'? Not necessarily a mentality of arousal/attraction, as you mention above, but it's merely a 'defect' as it would be classified. It's physical proof, not mental, that homosexuality can be isolated, should we as a society eliminate this? Or is that genocide, much like Hitler and his 'Super-race'?

I mean, I'm all for the idea of 'weeding out.' However, I am for the fact of 'Live and let live.' So I'd be torn. But if I truly had a choice, I think I'd vote against it, being a gay man myself. Yet, I just want the best for the society as a whole. And if they truly believe that I am a nuisance, I don't want to become the problem. I don't want my life as hell because I'm a 'genetic mutant.' I think it sort of boils down to having a genetic condition... in a sense. Like down syndrome.

As has been mentioned in this thread already, homosexuality runs perpendicular to procreation. It seems unnatural, if you view one of our primary goals in life as copulating and spreading our genes. In light of that, I suppose a case could be made that for the survival of humanity, we must eliminate homosexuality, but that seems rather dramatic.

Personally, if we ever developed a method of eliminating homosexuality from the gene pool, I'd consider its use unethical, but I'm having trouble articulating my logic for feeling this way.

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This is all hypothetical of course, there is NO proof yet of homosexuality being genetic. This just comes to show that we know so little about, and therefore we shouldn't react harshly towards it. (i.e. Banning gay marriage, exile, etc.)

I've never researched it myself, but my Psychology professor recently told our class of 800 people that "every day, we find more and more evidence that your sexuality is determined either before birth or shortly after."

storymilo · 10-12-2010, 07:56 PM

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RVCA （￣ー￣） Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,270	I don't think those people wake up one morning and decide they suddenly crave copious amounts of penis. Rather, they wake up and decide they're going to acknowledge what they've known for a LONG time; that they crave copious amounts of penis. (Or vagina, if you're the other gender) It's not "turning gay", it's "coming out".

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