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Thom Yorke 09-22-2011 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1105615)
I think it is personally more inflicted by the parents but studies obviously say different. Still it would interesting to know how those studies managed to take society out of the picture as I believe society is a huge influence on human behaviour.
CTV Toronto - Toronto parents to raise child without revealing gender - CTV News

I'm sure it's been done before, but I remember this from not too long back. Not really a study though. Should be interesting to follow.

Janszoon 09-22-2011 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1105349)
Why the doubt? Do you think the CDC is somehow biased against homosexuals? Do you think the study is somehow skewed? Because so far no one has presented alternative figures, and it strikes me as silly to just discount the only ones presented out of hand.
What are you talking about? Your link was only about gay men, not all homosexuals. Here's what the CDC has to say about lesbians and HIV. Some highlights:

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To date, there are no confirmed cases of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV in the United States database (K. McDavid, CDC, oral communication, March 2005).
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HIV-infected women whose only initially reported risk factor is sex with women are given high priority for follow-up investigation. As of December 2004, none of these investigations had confirmed female-to-female HIV transmission, either because other risk factors were later identified or because some women declined to be interviewed.
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A study of more than 1 million female blood donors found no HIV-infected women whose only risk factor was sex with women.

Guybrush 09-23-2011 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1105599)
Largely because I don't think its apt to label denying homosexuals the right to marry one another discrimination. I'm not saying they can't get married because their gay, but because two gays can't fulfill the functions of marriage. Further, since I'm not advocate anything similar to what, say, Anita Bryant advocated (LINK), it's a bit of a stretch to call me a homophobe. I think homosexuality is gross, sure, but I have never advocated criminalizing it.

Fair enough?
I can accept that it's your position, but I can't agree with it. You've defined marriage in a way which is not really congruent with practice. In order to marry, you would require from gay couples that they can reproduce, yet we do not require heterosexual marriages to produce children or even be able to. If we had, I could've seen your point, but we don't - and I don't feel like society should redefine marriage to require reproduction.

You say you believe in this because it benefits society, but I believe marriage benefits society even if it doesn't produce children. It reduces promiscuity and I'm sure many gay marriages can create families by parenting adoptees and I believe long term monogamous relationships are a good way to increase long term happiness. For example, noone wants to grow old alone. I also believe that tolerance and acceptance of different races, sexualities and other things that make us different is good for society and also promotes happiness. Happiness is good because to me, it's what I want from society and I believe happy people are f.ex more productive and less criminal.

Scarlett O'Hara 09-23-2011 04:57 AM
I just watched Brokeback Mountain again and I have to say, it was so incredibly beautiful. Two lost souls find each other and because of the incredible homophobia of the 60's they could never have each other. So sad, particularly when Jack was beaten to death after being figured out as gay. I hope that one day soon we all have great acceptance of people who love each other, no matter whether they are gay or straight.

NSW 09-23-2011 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1105718)
I just watched Brokeback Mountain again and I have to say, it was so incredibly beautiful. Two lost souls find each other and because of the incredible homophobia of the 60's they could never have each other. So sad, particularly when Jack was beaten to death after being figured out as gay. I hope that one day soon we all have great acceptance of people who love each other, no matter whether they are gay or straight.
I hear what you're saying, and I agree...but way to spoil the end of the movie!

Scarlett O'Hara 09-23-2011 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsubmissivewife (Post 1105720)
I hear what you're saying, and I agree...but way to spoil the end of the movie!
Shoot sorry hun! I assumed since it's old most people would have seen it. :(

I'll get Urban to spank me for my sins.

SIRIUSB 09-23-2011 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1105622)
I'm not sure what you mean?
I'm talking about the gray area of sexual attraction . . . when is it appropriate to have thoughts of a sexual kind?

In other words . . . at what age does having sexual thoughts cross the line?
Is it an age thing?
A physical thing?
A societal thing?

SIRIUSB 09-23-2011 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1105709)
I can accept that it's your position, but I can't agree with it. You've defined marriage in a way which is not really congruent with practice. In order to marry, you would require from gay couples that they can reproduce, yet we do not require heterosexual marriages to produce children or even be able to. If we had, I could've seen your point, but we don't - and I don't feel like society should redefine marriage to require reproduction.

You say you believe in this because it benefits society, but I believe marriage benefits society even if it doesn't produce children. It reduces promiscuity and I'm sure many gay marriages can create families by parenting adoptees and I believe long term monogamous relationships are a good way to increase long term happiness. For example, noone wants to grow old alone. I also believe that tolerance and acceptance of different races, sexualities and other things that make us different is good for society and also promotes happiness. Happiness is good because to me, it's what I want from society and I believe happy people are f.ex more productive and less criminal.
To comment on this 'marriage' thing . . . all the legal poop aside, there is no piece of paper that can bind or hold any two people together.
And to an extent there shouldn't be. :jailed:

djchameleon 09-23-2011 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SIRIUSB (Post 1105727)
To comment on this 'marriage' thing . . . all the legal poop aside, there is no piece of paper that can bind or hold any two people together.
And to an extent there shouldn't be. :jailed:
the legal poop that you are tossing aside is one of the main reasons homosexuals want to be able to be recognized as a married couple. The benefits of being married such as being on your partners health insurance, being able to even be by your partner's side when they have an emergency at the hospital. The nurses will straight up turn you away because you aren't family and you aren't married. The tax benefit of being about to file jointly.

SIRIUSB 09-23-2011 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1105728)
the legal poop that you are tossing aside is one of the main reasons homosexuals want to be able to be recognized as a married couple. The benefits of being married such as being on your partners health insurance, being able to even be by your partner's side when they have an emergency at the hospital. The nurses will straight up turn you away because you aren't family and you aren't married. The tax benefit of being about to file jointly.
I suppose you're right . . . what a mess! I can understand the frustration involved. It's amazing how Equal Rights are not extended to 'everyone'.


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