The problems with homosexuality

artemis · 09-06-2011, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

The Bible does advocate, indeed order, capital punishment for (male) homosexuality.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

I hope those who believe this aren't messing with their fabrics.

Otherwise, you're on the road to hell...

Howard the Duck · 09-06-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by artemis

I hope those who believe this aren't messing with their fabrics.

Otherwise, you're on the road to hell...

mebbe it's "lieth" as in "telling lies"

mebbe a man can lie to a woman, but not to a man

hip hop bunny hop · 09-06-2011, 11:39 AM

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Is that so? Mind backing it up with some relevant research?

link - there's about a 3 point spread between children raised by homosexuals v. heterosexuals in relation to probability in being held back in school.

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Gay people are a real threat to the sustainment of the population? No they're not.

Eh? No, you've misunderstood - I was replying as to why marriages are necessary for heterosexual couples. When marriages and/or sexual relationships are of convenience, we see birth rates plummet. The full statement I was responding to is as follows: Extending the marriage ban to people over 60 is not impractical at all. And who said that marriage's sole purpose is to function as formal institution for biological breeding? Why would such a thing even be necessary? If people, regardless of sexual orientation or other circumstances, feel that a formalisation of their relationship will make them happier, who are you or anyone else to deny them that?

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The purpose of sexual relationships really doesn't enter into it at all. These people love eachother and have a desire to be with eachother, just like heterosexual couples do. Do we require heterosexual couples to produce more babies? No, of course not. If we don't really care if heterosexuals, why should we care whether or not gay people procreate?

The point of the sexual relationship is relevant because, as stated in the article I originally linked to; When a state recognizes a marriage, it bestows upon the couple certain benefits which are costly to both the state and other individuals. Collecting a deceased spouse’s social security, claiming an extra tax exemption for a spouse, and having the right to be covered under a spouse’s health insurance policy are just a few examples of the costly benefits associated with marriage. In a sense, a married couple receives a subsidy. Why? Because a marriage between two unrelated heterosexuals is likely to result in a family with children, and propagation of society is a compelling state interest.

Mind, homosexuals are free to engage in private, non-state recognized marriages, throughout the USA. So if it's the term, the symbolism, and the ritual that they're looking for - they've already access to this. What they lack access to is the socially subsidized aspects of marriage, which is reasonable, considering there is no benefit to the subsidizing society as a whole if they transition from dating to married.

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Constant fighting between people because of ethnicity, religion, views, ect. make me think of committing suicide every time i hear about it. I feel like I would be happier not existing than being in this world of negativity and hatred. I don't mean to sound suicidal, but it really is too much and I'm sick of humanity as a whole. I love getting to know people and being able relate to them, but seeing how people act as a whole makes me sad and hopeless. When I view humanity as a whole. I think of how large the universe is and how nothing would matter if the planet was engulfed by the sun, but when I think of a good friend or a remarkable person I feel like our lives matter and even though we are but a drop of water in a vast ocean things are still worthwhile.

Forgive the uneducated ranting, but thinking about this makes me sad, and furious.

I could say a lot about the above, but one thing is clear: you're mentally ill. I say this not to be rude, but if you're internalizing events that don't involve you to such a degree you're contemplating suicide, you are mentally ill. You need to see a professional.

Buzzov*en · 09-06-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

link - there's about a 3 point spread between children raised by homosexuals v. heterosexuals in relation to probability in being held back in school.

Eh? No, you've misunderstood - I was replying as to why marriages are necessary for heterosexual couples. When marriages and/or sexual relationships are of convenience, we see birth rates plummet. The full statement I was responding to is as follows: Extending the marriage ban to people over 60 is not impractical at all. And who said that marriage's sole purpose is to function as formal institution for biological breeding? Why would such a thing even be necessary? If people, regardless of sexual orientation or other circumstances, feel that a formalisation of their relationship will make them happier, who are you or anyone else to deny them that?

The point of the sexual relationship is relevant because, as stated in the article I originally linked to; When a state recognizes a marriage, it bestows upon the couple certain benefits which are costly to both the state and other individuals. Collecting a deceased spouse’s social security, claiming an extra tax exemption for a spouse, and having the right to be covered under a spouse’s health insurance policy are just a few examples of the costly benefits associated with marriage. In a sense, a married couple receives a subsidy. Why? Because a marriage between two unrelated heterosexuals is likely to result in a family with children, and propagation of society is a compelling state interest.

Mind, homosexuals are free to engage in private, non-state recognized marriages, throughout the USA. So if it's the term, the symbolism, and the ritual that they're looking for - they've already access to this. What they lack access to is the socially subsidized aspects of marriage, which is reasonable, considering there is no benefit to the subsidizing society as a whole if they transition from dating to married.

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I could say a lot about the above, but one thing is clear: you're mentally ill. I say this not to be rude, but if you're internalizing events that don't involve you to such a degree you're contemplating suicide, you are mentally ill. You need to see a professional.

You're one to talk about being mentally ill aren't you?
Again marriage is not for reproducing. Or is that too hard for you to grasp especially when it shoots down that link you have a hard on for?

adidasss · 09-06-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

link - there's about a 3 point spread between children raised by homosexuals v. heterosexuals in relation to probability in being held back in school.

And then the article goes on to say:

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The difference between the groups pretty much vanishes when taking into account that the heterosexual couples were slightly more educated and wealthier than most gay parents, Rosenfeld said.

"The census data show that having parents who are the same gender is not in itself any disadvantage to children," he said. "Parents' income and education are the biggest indicators of a child's success. Family structure is a minor determinant."

Rosenfeld's findings have been cited by lawyers fighting Proposition 8, the gay marriage ban passed by California voters in 2008.

But thanks anyway.

The Batlord · 09-06-2011, 11:58 AM

@ Hip Hop Bunny

Dude, you're an atheist and a homophobe? For real?! Were you dropped on you head as a child or something? I've seen spam emails that make more sense than you.

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny

could say a lot about the above, but one thing is clear: you're mentally ill. I say this not to be rude, but if you're internalizing events that don't involve you to such a degree you're contemplating suicide, you are mentally ill. You need to see a professional.

Pot. Meet kettle. Oh, and pot, shut the **** up.

@ Any mods about to send me an infraction for an insulting post. Feel free. It was worth it.

LoathsomePete · 09-06-2011, 12:14 PM

Save the fecal throwing for PM's, as entertaining as it is to read, lets try to hold onto what little decency this forum still has, especially in this subforum.

hip hop bunny hop · 09-06-2011, 12:30 PM

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But thanks anyway.

Lulz, I wasn't ignorant of that; rather, that **** is permeates so much sociological articles that it's de rigueur. Anyways, the point stands, liberal nonsense aside.

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Plenty of perfectly sane people contemplate siicide, and Loose Lips is clearly very dissatisfied with the species he's part of, to the point where he might want to no longer be part of it.

I'm not arguing sanity, I'm arguing illness. If your emotional state is such that you consider inflicting harm on your body, that's the very definition of mental illness.

adidasss · 09-06-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Lulz, I wasn't ignorant of that; rather, that **** is permeates so much sociological articles that it's de rigueur. Anyways, the point stands, liberal nonsense aside.

Uhm, no, the point does not stand. I asked you to provide relevant research which supports your claim and you provided research which claims the exact opposite.

Wanna give it another try?

~~Farfisa~~ · 09-06-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

I'm not arguing sanity, I'm arguing illness. If your emotional state is such that you consider inflicting harm on your body, that's the very definition of mental illness.

Well yes, I suffer from serious bouts of depression and I am diagnosed with anxiety depression. So, you are right about me being mentally ill. I really want to try to see the better part of things eventually though, but it will be very had to do.

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