The problems with homosexuality

SIRIUSB · 09-22-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

Take it easy, Socrates. Everyone is different. Everyone knows what they want at different ages. You say growing up is realizing you don't know **** about anything yet you think you can get into the minds of everyone and know what they feel. Do I gain the ability to speculate on everyone's feelings and know exactly what they want and don't want when I turn 13?

Studies by J. Michael Bailey and K.J. Zucker have found that a majority of gay men and lesbians report being gender-nonconforming during their childhood years.
Richard C. Friedman, argues that sexual desire begins later, not in infancy but between the ages of 5 and 10 and is not focused on a parent figure but on peers. As a consequence, he reasons, homosexual men are not abnormal, never having been sexually attracted to their mothers anyway.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 09-22-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SIRIUSB

Studies by J. Michael Bailey and K.J. Zucker have found that a majority of gay men and lesbians report being gender-nonconforming during their childhood years.
Richard C. Friedman, argues that sexual desire begins later, not in infancy but between the ages of 5 and 10 and is not focused on a parent figure but on peers. As a consequence, he reasons, homosexual men are not abnormal, never having been sexually attracted to their mothers anyway.

What does "gender non-conforming" have to do with sexual orientation....

SIRIUSB · 09-22-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

What does "gender non-conforming" have to do with sexual orientation....

Gender nonconformity is a phenomenon in which pre-pubescent children do not conform to expected gender-related sociological or psychological patterns, and/or identify with the opposite gender.

Typical behavior among those who exhibit the phenomenon includes but is not limited to a propensity to cross-dress, refusal to take part in activities conventionally thought suitable for the gender and the exclusive choice of play-mates of the opposite sex.

Multiple studies have correlated childhood gender non-conformity with eventual gay/bisexual and trans-gender outcomes.

One study found a high incidence of gay males self-reporting gender-atypical behaviors in childhood, such as having little interest in athletics and preferring to play with dolls. The same study found that mothers of gay males recalled such atypical behavior in their sons with greater frequency than mothers of heterosexual males. Nevertheless, not all gay/bisexual men exhibit especially feminine characteristics, and not all feminine men identify as gay/bisexual.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 09-22-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SIRIUSB

Gender nonconformity is a phenomenon in which pre-pubescent children do not conform to expected gender-related sociological or psychological patterns, and/or identify with the opposite gender.

Typical behavior among those who exhibit the phenomenon includes but is not limited to a propensity to cross-dress, refusal to take part in activities conventionally thought suitable for the gender and the exclusive choice of play-mates of the opposite sex.

Multiple studies have correlated childhood gender non-conformity with eventual gay/bisexual and trans-gender outcomes.

One study found a high incidence of gay males self-reporting gender-atypical behaviors in childhood, such as having little interest in athletics and preferring to play with dolls. The same study found that mothers of gay males recalled such atypical behavior in their sons with greater frequency than mothers of heterosexual males. Nevertheless, not all gay/bisexual men exhibit especially feminine characteristics, and not all feminine men identify as gay/bisexual.

It's not a "phenomenon". Children have gender roles inflicted on them, otherwise they just explore what looks fun. It's what children do until someone tells them it's wrong. And just because you played with dolls when you were a child (if you're a man), doesn't mean you're going to be gay, at all. I was very tomboyish when I was young, yet I'm a heterosexual, so where are you getting this bull**** from? Either way, gender doesn't have much to do with sexual orientation at all.

SIRIUSB · 09-22-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

It's not a "phenomenon". Children have gender roles inflicted on them, otherwise they just explore what looks fun. It's what children do until someone tells them it's wrong. And just because you played with dolls when you were a child (if you're a man), doesn't mean you're going to be gay, at all. I was very tomboyish when I was young, yet I'm a heterosexual, so where are you getting this bull**** from? Either way, gender doesn't have much to do with sexual orientation at all.

The word phenomenon is defined as any observable occurrence.
I'm sure I included:

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Nevertheless, not all gay/bisexual men exhibit especially feminine characteristics, and not all feminine men identify as gay/bisexual.

I'm getting my bull**** from academic psychological resources, where are you getting your bull**** from?

Guybrush · 09-22-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

It's not a "phenomenon". Children have gender roles inflicted on them, otherwise they just explore what looks fun. It's what children do until someone tells them it's wrong. And just because you played with dolls when you were a child (if you're a man), doesn't mean you're going to be gay, at all. I was very tomboyish when I was young, yet I'm a heterosexual, so where are you getting this bull**** from? Either way, gender doesn't have much to do with sexual orientation at all.

Actually, studies show that girls and boys do exhibit different behaviours even right after birth, so gender typical behaviours are not just a cultural phenomenon. I saw an informative program about it on the telly last year

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I could add that as a biologist, it makes perfect sense. Biology gives rise to behaviour. Boys and girls have different biology and so on so it makes sense they have different behaviour.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 09-22-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

It's not a "phenomenon". Children have gender roles inflicted on them, otherwise they just explore what looks fun. It's what children do until someone tells them it's wrong. And just because you played with dolls when you were a child (if you're a man), doesn't mean you're going to be gay, at all. I was very tomboyish when I was young, yet I'm a heterosexual, so where are you getting this bull**** from? Either way, gender doesn't have much to do with sexual orientation at all.

I was the major Tomboy as a child, I played sports with all males, I hated girly clothes and wore boy clothes, I hung only around boys. My toys were cars, trucks and telescopes etc. Dad would take me to footy and I'd ride on his bike. Now I'm the complete opposite, my favourite colour is pink and I'm incredibly girly and feminine. I think it is personally more inflicted by the parents but studies obviously say different. Still it would interesting to know how those studies managed to take society out of the picture as I believe society is a huge influence on human behaviour.

Thom Yorke · 09-22-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

I think it is personally more inflicted by the parents but studies obviously say different. Still it would interesting to know how those studies managed to take society out of the picture as I believe society is a huge influence on human behaviour.

CTV Toronto - Toronto parents to raise child without revealing gender - CTV News

I'm sure it's been done before, but I remember this from not too long back. Not really a study though. Should be interesting to follow.