Sansa Stark

It was at Siriusb. What do you mean about "social collateral"? What exactly makes what I said look bad?

TheBig3

If someone likes being tied up. Its a fetish. They enjoy it and see it as a boon.

They are likely going to take offense if you liken it to pedophilia. No certitudes, just politics. Take it from a guy who works CS, people go bat**** over the most ridiculous stuff.

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Paedantic Basterd

I think "fetish" is a really broad umbrella that can encompass everything from leather and balloons to snuff film and corpses, and I think any reasonable person would admit that every community (in this case, fetishists) has some bad eggs. Of course, the key words are "reasonable person", so you might be right.

SIRIUSB

I am fairly certain Necrophilia is a mental illness.

It is classified as a paraphilia by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association. It is listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

Homosexuality was the top of the classification list (Code 302.0) until the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from the DSM in 1973. Other organizations followed suit, including the American Psychological Association in 1975, and the National Association of Social Workers. Martin Kafka writes, "Sexual disorders once considered paraphilias (e.g.,homosexuality) are now regarded as variants of normal sexuality."

hip hop bunny hop

Largely because I don't think its apt to label denying homosexuals the right to marry one another discrimination. I'm not saying they can't get married because their gay, but because two gays can't fulfill the functions of marriage. Further, since I'm not advocate anything similar to what, say, Anita Bryant advocated (LINK), it's a bit of a stretch to call me a homophobe. I think homosexuality is gross, sure, but I have never advocated criminalizing it.

Fair enough?

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Guybrush

I can accept that it's your position, but I can't agree with it. You've defined marriage in a way which is not really congruent with practice. In order to marry, you would require from gay couples that they can reproduce, yet we do not require heterosexual marriages to produce children or even be able to. If we had, I could've seen your point, but we don't - and I don't feel like society should redefine marriage to require reproduction.

You say you believe in this because it benefits society, but I believe marriage benefits society even if it doesn't produce children. It reduces promiscuity and I'm sure many gay marriages can create families by parenting adoptees and I believe long term monogamous relationships are a good way to increase long term happiness. For example, noone wants to grow old alone. I also believe that tolerance and acceptance of different races, sexualities and other things that make us different is good for society and also promotes happiness. Happiness is good because to me, it's what I want from society and I believe happy people are f.ex more productive and less criminal.

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SIRIUSB

To comment on this 'marriage' thing . . . all the legal poop aside, there is no piece of paper that can bind or hold any two people together.
And to an extent there shouldn't be.

djchameleon

the legal poop that you are tossing aside is one of the main reasons homosexuals want to be able to be recognized as a married couple. The benefits of being married such as being on your partners health insurance, being able to even be by your partner's side when they have an emergency at the hospital. The nurses will straight up turn you away because you aren't family and you aren't married. The tax benefit of being about to file jointly.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

SIRIUSB

I suppose you're right . . . what a mess! I can understand the frustration involved. It's amazing how Equal Rights are not extended to 'everyone'.

hip hop bunny hop

They don't have to get married to receive this; a simple living will would accomplish the same thing.

Indeed, as I acknowledged the current system isn't perfect. However, without requiring invasive (and expensive) fertility tests, and somehow magically determining whether or not a couple plans to reproduce, it is the best we can do.

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