The problems with homosexuality

Have Faith In Me. · 09-25-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Consolator

If you really feel that way, I have trouble understanding why you still see homosexuality as a sin. You've said it yourself that humans view each sin through a different colored lens. You view some as less wrong than others, why not view homosexuality as something to "support." Why is it not to you? It's innate and has been documented in pretty much era of history. Racists used to use the Bible to justify their prejudice. I find it pretty unnerving that you claim to be all about love and acceptance yet you won't even go so far as to "support" the "lifestyle." Your flowery language is getting old -- put your money where your mouth is. The "...but I have a gay friend!" is a weak argument.

I see your point, to an extent. I'm not one of those people that's gonna go out and stand up for gay rights, but then again there's only a handful of things I'd be willing to go to extremes for. Something I really really believe in. Every homosexual person I know has accepted me for who I am, and I them. Because, in that case, I'm not a radical Bible-thumper, I'm just doing what Christ called me to do..and that was love. If you really knew me, you'd know I don't care what you've done or who you are..I'll still look at you in the same way. Call it 'flowery language' if you want, truth.

Consolator · 09-25-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Have Faith In Me.

I see your point, to an extent. I'm not one of those people that's gonna go out and stand up for gay rights

Bingo.

Why won't you? (Assuming you live in the US.) America was founded on the ideals of a place where people wouldn't be persecuted for their religious beliefs. The corny phrase "Land of the free" comes to mind. Following your logic, you're persecuting others based on your religious beliefs, whether you mean to or not. I don't need to tell you all the ways gays are discriminated against by the government and general public -- it's pretty obvious unless you live in, say, MA. You say you won't go out and support gay rights, but isn't the idea of equality and freedom is what the US is all about? Do you not think gays are worthy of enjoying the same rights and benefits as you?

I attend a Catholic university and it irks me how the students all use the same hippie-esque flowery language, but when it comes to the government, it's their way or the highway. The government should enforce their religious ideals in laws and the general running of things. When I try to explain to them that the US is supposed to be a secular nation, they write me off as some crazy liberal. Need I remind you how religious theocracies tend to turn out? Just take a look at Iran, for instance.

Have Faith In Me. · 09-25-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Consolator

You say you won't go out and support gay rights, but isn't the idea of equality and freedom is what the US is all about? Do you not think gays are worthy of enjoying the same rights and benefits as you?

equality and freedom is supposed to be what the United States is all about, and I wish it really was. Truth be told though, I don't think there's really a place that's entirely like that on this Earth. Sadly. And are you going to go to a rally or protest for something that I whole-heartedly support just because I might want you to or think you should? The answer is probably a no, and that's okay. You're not expected to have to. That's the same for me with this. I don't mind anybody else doing it, but I shouldn't have to. I think everyone should have a choice in what they do, and it's simply what they want to do, that's all. It should be accepted for what it is.

Consolator · 09-25-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Have Faith In Me.

equality and freedom is supposed to be what the United States is all about, and I wish it really was. Truth be told though, I don't think there's really a place that's entirely like that on this Earth. Sadly. And are you going to go to a rally or protest for something that I whole-heartedly support just because I might want you to or think you should? The answer is probably a no, and that's okay. You're not expected to have to. That's the same for me with this. I don't mind anybody else doing it, but I shouldn't have to. I think everyone should have a choice in what they do, and it's simply what they want to do, that's all. It should be accepted for what it is.

You're right, absolute equality is not something present on this planet. That's not to say we can't make efforts to move closer towards it.

If you made a case about whatever you wanted me to rally or protest for (like I've done with you) I would certainly consider it. Here's what I don't understand: Your gay best friend, who you've repeatedly claimed to "love" (though judging by the fact that you don't want to support gay rights I'm beginning to doubt that claim) is currently discriminated against heavily and openly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you want those you love to be happy? If someone was messing with one of your siblings or close friends, wouldn't you want to help them / protect them? Is that not what you do with those you "love" ? It may be something that's uncomfortable for you, but wouldn't you consider it worth it? Being that he's your best friend and you love him. I frankly do not understand where you're coming from, at all. I can understand not approving of all of a friend's traits, but homosexuality isn't the same as being, say, an alcoholic.