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Old 11-13-2010, 01:00 PM   #541 (permalink)
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Nobody cares what the church wants here and nobody is forcing the churches to change their views on marriage
Here, they obviously do, the majority vote says so.

And if you must know, my first choice was Romney. I would rather have a governer than a senator.

And since you are bringing that whine into it, everybody compared Palin to Obama.
They should have compared her to Biden, who is obviously stupid. I was bummed Gore didn't run, because it would be like a do over.

I posted my opinion. If you want to debate it, fine, if you want to make some personal thing, go pound sand up your ass. If you're out to start a debate where you can go after opinions, start a thread on abortion. Because roughly half the people have a different opinion. And the smaller half feels everyone else is stupid & evil, and think it's ok to break the law, because they personally feel that's what "god" wants.

I'm old, I've lived through watching it unfold.

First off, Homosexuality was illegal. Then the gay rights thing started happening.
Probably their biggest milestone was having it lumped in with race.

And then it was protected. No mare gay-bashing. No descrimination.

Now they are trying to change the so called basic "way of the world." with the marriage thing. There is nothing wrong with a civil union. Just calling it "marriage."

From Merriam-webster

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a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
As far as a civil union, there is nothing wrong with that. Out here it's called a "partner." Belive me, if it's a business partner, tennis partner or whatever, you say that. Otherwise it means well, your "partner."

They didn't start the "husband" or "Wife" thing until recently, since the whole "gay Marriage" thing.

As I've mentioned several times, there is already a legal union, that is stronger than marriage. And even churches recognize it.

To the person that thinks I'm a religious person, if you knew anything about me, you'd laugh about how dumb that comment is.

If you think about it, the more religious a person is, usually the more spun they are.
All the insurgents and suicide bombers for example. Or riding around on a bike to talk weak people into your dumb personal religious beliefs.

Some states are at the opposite end of the spectrum, and religion is in control. Obviously Utah, and then a couple others.

They aren't having it, and will do anything in their power to stamp it out in any way
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SAME-SEX ADOPTION LAWS BY STATE
The issue of adoption by same-sex couples has moved to the forefront in recent years. Liberty
Counsel was instrumental in upholding the constitutionality of Florida’s ban on same-sex adoption
in the Lofton v. Kearney case at the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. This was the first case of its
kind in the country upholding a state legislative ban on same-sex adoption. We continue to work to
establish legislation - and protect such legislation from court challenges - to protect children.
See the state-by-state chart at the end of this document for a listing of adoption law related to samesex
couples in each state.
STATES EXPLICITLY PROHIBITING HOMOSEXUAL ADOPTION
Three states - Florida, Mississippi, and Utah - have laws that explicitly prohibit homosexual
individuals and/or couples from adopting children. Michigan has, by construction of its statutes,
prohibited same-sex couples from adopting, but does not prohibit single homosexual individuals
from adopting. Other states may not have explicit prohibitions against same-sex adoption, but may
have statutory requirements that only married couples may adopt, and thus, by extension, same-sex
couples (because they are not married) are prohibiting from adopting. The following states have
explicit prohibitions against same-sex adoption.

They are obviously spun, and have an agenda. But then, on the other hand, the sex you have should be private.

When someone announces they're gay in a public situation, I sometimes say "really, well I like women with big tits." They stated their preference, I stated mine. People in normal polite conversation don't announce the type of sex they like.

Imagine if the moral majority did it?

"Well I like women that have a look on their face like they're being tortured and feel ashamed"

If two guys are shacked up, who cares. You should be able to extend your assets & benefits to anyone you chose.


"Marriage" to the obvious majority is exactly what Merriam Webster defined.
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Old 11-13-2010, 01:06 PM   #542 (permalink)
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It's pretty funny how you left out the second half of that Merriam-Webster definition:

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(2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage
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Old 11-13-2010, 01:52 PM   #543 (permalink)
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Here, they obviously do, the majority vote says so.
Well some 50 years ago, segregation was also the majority vote.


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3000 years ago, it was a union between multiple people, 100 years ago it was undisolvable. People change the definition of marriage the way it suits them, a dictionary shouldn't be justification for denying people the same rights.

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As I've mentioned several times, there is already a legal union, that is stronger than marriage. And even churches recognize it.
Adoption is not marriage, it doesn't have the same purpose or legal consequences, please accept this.

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When someone announces they're gay in a public situation, I sometimes say "really, well I like women with big tits." They stated their preference, I stated mine. People in normal polite conversation don't announce the type of sex they like.

Imagine if the moral majority did it?

"Well I like women that have a look on their face like they're being tortured and feel ashamed"
Since the majority of the people are heterosexual, there's usually no need for people to state their sexual preference since it's assumed they're straight. As such, it's a necessity for gay people to disclose their sexual preference to correct this assumption. I don't usually do it by walking into a bar screaming "HELLO EVERYONE, I'M A HOMOSEXUAL", it usually comes after some type of "do you have a girlfriend" question.
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:41 PM   #544 (permalink)
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When someone announces they're gay in a public situation, I sometimes say "really, well I like women with big tits." They stated their preference, I stated mine. People in normal polite conversation don't announce the type of sex they like.

Imagine if the moral majority did it?

"Well I like women that have a look on their face like they're being tortured and feel ashamed"

If two guys are shacked up, who cares. You should be able to extend your assets & benefits to anyone you chose.
That's unbelievably dumb. I know very few members of the gay community who will just shout their sexual preference willy nilly. It tends to be in some sort of context. For example, if I've just met a guy, and he asks me if I have a boyfriend, if it's a typical person at the store or something, I'll just say no and go on about my day. If it's at a party or something of the sort, I'll recognize that this is the guy asking to see if his advances will be returned, and I'll acknowledge that I'm not interested in guys.

If someone were at the party and overheard and exclaimed, "Oh, you're gay?! Well, I like women with big tits!" that would be completely uncalled for.

Also, even heterosexual people often state their sexual orientation in CONTEXT, although it doesn't come up as much. If a member of the same sex happened to be flirting with a heterosexual, the response tends to be, "Oh, I'm straight..."

Further, people who are being openly gay in pride events, organizations and the like are often not just out to make you uncomfortable or anything like that. A much smaller percentage of the population identifies as homosexual, so I can see where some people who identify as such might feel that they need to broadcast a little more to find a potential dating partner.

As a heterosexual person, you'd not really have so much trouble with this. If you're interested in a girl and she happens to be gay, her response isn't going to be beating the crap out of you because you're straight and she thinks straight people are disgusting sins against God. The worst she's going to do is probably apologetically say that she's straight. The same goes for girls attempting to seduce gay men. An apologetic, "I'm sorry, but I'm gay..." is the worst that's going to happen.

If the tables, however, are turned, and a gay male were to mistakenly hit on a straight man, that can lead to all sorts of problems. I've seen this end in violence or verbal abuse on many occasions, and I think it's understandable that members of the LGBT community often decide to be wary. If someone is broadcasting their orientation a little more aggressively, that makes them *safe* to hit on and attempt to date. It's more necessary within the gay community than outside of it.

Even with that said, it's still not horribly prevalent. And also with that said, I've not known anyone to walk around with a sign above their head proclaiming that they're gay; it's usually through wearing a t-shirt of a Pride organization, a rainbow bracelet, frequenting a gay bar, or something of the sort.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:49 AM   #546 (permalink)
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Here, they obviously do, the majority vote says so.

And if you must know, my first choice was Romney. I would rather have a governer than a senator.

And since you are bringing that whine into it, everybody compared Palin to Obama.
They should have compared her to Biden, who is obviously stupid. I was bummed Gore didn't run, because it would be like a do over.

I posted my opinion. If you want to debate it, fine, if you want to make some personal thing, go pound sand up your ass. If you're out to start a debate where you can go after opinions, start a thread on abortion. Because roughly half the people have a different opinion. And the smaller half feels everyone else is stupid & evil, and think it's ok to break the law, because they personally feel that's what "god" wants.

I'm old, I've lived through watching it unfold.

First off, Homosexuality was illegal. Then the gay rights thing started happening.
Probably their biggest milestone was having it lumped in with race.

And then it was protected. No mare gay-bashing. No descrimination.

Now they are trying to change the so called basic "way of the world." with the marriage thing. There is nothing wrong with a civil union. Just calling it "marriage."

From Merriam-webster



As far as a civil union, there is nothing wrong with that. Out here it's called a "partner." Belive me, if it's a business partner, tennis partner or whatever, you say that. Otherwise it means well, your "partner."

They didn't start the "husband" or "Wife" thing until recently, since the whole "gay Marriage" thing.

As I've mentioned several times, there is already a legal union, that is stronger than marriage. And even churches recognize it.

To the person that thinks I'm a religious person, if you knew anything about me, you'd laugh about how dumb that comment is.

If you think about it, the more religious a person is, usually the more spun they are.
All the insurgents and suicide bombers for example. Or riding around on a bike to talk weak people into your dumb personal religious beliefs.

Some states are at the opposite end of the spectrum, and religion is in control. Obviously Utah, and then a couple others.

They aren't having it, and will do anything in their power to stamp it out in any way



They are obviously spun, and have an agenda. But then, on the other hand, the sex you have should be private.

When someone announces they're gay in a public situation, I sometimes say "really, well I like women with big tits." They stated their preference, I stated mine. People in normal polite conversation don't announce the type of sex they like.

Imagine if the moral majority did it?

"Well I like women that have a look on their face like they're being tortured and feel ashamed"

If two guys are shacked up, who cares. You should be able to extend your assets & benefits to anyone you chose.


"Marriage" to the obvious majority is exactly what Merriam Webster defined.
You're really rude. I usually respect people's opinions but you have no consideration for the emotions and the different beliefs of others.
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Is this guy serious?
Tough question my man.

Does he believe his opinion? Yes.

Did he do anything resembling research before he gave us this gut-check narrative? No.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:44 PM   #548 (permalink)
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Here, they obviously do, the majority vote says so.

And if you must know, my first choice was Romney. I would rather have a governer than a senator.

And since you are bringing that whine into it, everybody compared Palin to Obama.
They should have compared her to Biden, who is obviously stupid. I was bummed Gore didn't run, because it would be like a do over.

I posted my opinion. If you want to debate it, fine, if you want to make some personal thing, go pound sand up your ass. If you're out to start a debate where you can go after opinions, start a thread on abortion. Because roughly half the people have a different opinion. And the smaller half feels everyone else is stupid & evil, and think it's ok to break the law, because they personally feel that's what "god" wants.

I'm old, I've lived through watching it unfold.

First off, Homosexuality was illegal. Then the gay rights thing started happening.
Probably their biggest milestone was having it lumped in with race.

And then it was protected. No mare gay-bashing. No descrimination.

Now they are trying to change the so called basic "way of the world." with the marriage thing. There is nothing wrong with a civil union. Just calling it "marriage."

From Merriam-webster



As far as a civil union, there is nothing wrong with that. Out here it's called a "partner." Belive me, if it's a business partner, tennis partner or whatever, you say that. Otherwise it means well, your "partner."

They didn't start the "husband" or "Wife" thing until recently, since the whole "gay Marriage" thing.

As I've mentioned several times, there is already a legal union, that is stronger than marriage. And even churches recognize it.

To the person that thinks I'm a religious person, if you knew anything about me, you'd laugh about how dumb that comment is.

If you think about it, the more religious a person is, usually the more spun they are.
All the insurgents and suicide bombers for example. Or riding around on a bike to talk weak people into your dumb personal religious beliefs.

Some states are at the opposite end of the spectrum, and religion is in control. Obviously Utah, and then a couple others.

They aren't having it, and will do anything in their power to stamp it out in any way



They are obviously spun, and have an agenda. But then, on the other hand, the sex you have should be private.

When someone announces they're gay in a public situation, I sometimes say "really, well I like women with big tits." They stated their preference, I stated mine. People in normal polite conversation don't announce the type of sex they like.

Imagine if the moral majority did it?

"Well I like women that have a look on their face like they're being tortured and feel ashamed"

If two guys are shacked up, who cares. You should be able to extend your assets & benefits to anyone you chose.


"Marriage" to the obvious majority is exactly what Merriam Webster defined.

Did anyone else read this and not understand a word?
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Ah well, problems on Homosexuality.
I'm straight myself. And and atheist.
Three people I know are gay, I have one friend who's gay.
I have a couple of female friends (6, actually) that are bisexual.

And the problem? Well, what problem would there be.
I don't have any problem with any of them. They're nice to me, that's all I care about.

And then, gay marriage... Yah, no prob.
Gays and kids, not sure. Kids tend to lean more to their mother and father, alternately.
I think it might be important to have a mother and father when you are raised.
But I'm not sure what I prefer. Two dads/mothers, or a dad and a mother who are out to work most of the time...
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What does it mean to lean more to their mother and father?
And having two same-sex parents isn't the alternative to having two opposite sex parents who always work.
The same way there are bad opposite sex parents, I'm sure there are bad same-sex parents. That shouldn't stop all same-sex parents from being allowed to have children, though.
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