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View Poll Results: Is suicide cowardly?
Yes 39 20.74%
No 79 42.02%
Sometimes, depends on the circumstances (kids etc.) 70 37.23%
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:46 PM   #91 (permalink)
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I don't know how old you could possibly be. We had home economics in middle school for half the year, and the other half was woodshop.
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:40 PM   #92 (permalink)
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I'm a little surprised at the results, I don't see how suicide can be considered not selfish. You're ending your life here on earth for whatever reason, and doing it solely for yourself. The only situation I could imagine it not being a selfish gesture would be doing it for someone else when you think your situation is horrible enough that it will never get better and you can help someone else (for example, sometimes people do it for life insurance, and that's definitely not a selfish reason). But I still voted yes, because 99% of the time you're doing it because other people are being hurt by a decision you make that effects many people in a bad way. I'm not trying to downplay how bad depression can be, or say people that commit suicide are weak or cowardly and I've been effected like many of you I'm sure. As for the disease argument, I'd make the same statement about alcoholism ad drug addiction. Yes it's a disease, but millions of people have conquered it before. If your an alcoholic or drug addict and you drink or do drugs instead of paying attention to your children, for example, regardless of how difficult it is not to you're making a selfish decision to go the easier route.
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:37 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Well, I don't know if people here would think I'd be a coward, and to a certain extent I really don't give a **** about what people here think of it, especially if they don't have clinical depression, but the only reason I HAVEN'T committed suicide is because of my family. I would never do that to them.

It doesn't help the depression though, and the medicine never helped either. So it's really ****ty living in the state I live in. I've gone to so much therapy, have had so many anti-depressants shoved down my throat, and they usually have a three or four month honeymoon period before it creeps back into my skull, regardless of what I take.

But the thought of living like this for forty or fifty years is terrifying and even more depressing. But I'll keep on for a while.
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:45 PM   #94 (permalink)
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so how is it not selfish to say "fuck them?" there are other ways to deal with mental disorders.
Also, it's not a case of "fuck them" it's more of a case of "I'm so sorry, but I just can't summon the will to care more about them finding me, than about this thing inside my head, when most of my days are terrible and painful, and looking at myself, I can't see why any of them would even love me in the first place when I so thoroughly believe how much of a worthless piece of shit I am."

Nobody can be as self-hating and selfish as a depressed person. They hate themselves but they mostly think about themselves.

It literally takes one second of not caring enough. It's like a surrender, not an active show of contempt for others feelings. At least that's how it would be for me.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:16 AM   #95 (permalink)
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I think this is a two-sided argument.

On one hand, it's selfish for the suicidal person to leave behind people who care about the person. On the other, it's kind of selfish for those who care to expect the person to stick around solely for their own benefit.
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Old 08-31-2010, 09:05 PM   #96 (permalink)
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No, it's not cowardly. Checking out takes balls. It is very selfish in situations where you're leaving a mess behind for others, but everything we do, no matter how kind, if self motivated in some way to begin with.

I personally think that suicide is stupid unless you have to escape from an unbearable situation such as incurable, agonizing pain and suffering, or a life in prison sentence... anything that can be mentally conquered otherwise is a waste of a life if the person can't figure out how to solve the problem, especially if the person is intelligent and talented.
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I personally think that suicide is stupid unless you have to escape from an unbearable situation such as incurable, agonizing pain and suffering, or a life in prison sentence...
that bold part is BY FAR the LEAST tolerable excuse for suicide i've ever read. if you're being sent to prison for life you shouldn't have an option to circumvent facing the results of your actions. fock that.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:19 AM   #98 (permalink)
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I'm a little surprised at the results, I don't see how suicide can be considered not selfish. You're ending your life here on earth for whatever reason, and doing it solely for yourself.
Living for somebody elses benefit is hardly living, you're still fucking miserable. Your life, your right to end it. I think the poll is quite interesting though. I thought no would be the minority.
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:01 PM   #99 (permalink)
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that bold part is BY FAR the LEAST tolerable excuse for suicide i've ever read. if you're being sent to prison for life you shouldn't have an option to circumvent facing the results of your actions. fock that.
I don't think that was his point. He meant that for the person committing suicide's train of thought, killing yourself rather than spending life in prison is more desirable.

I think committing suicide is cowardly because it's for people too weak to either deal with problems in life that plenty of other people face or to get help.
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:06 PM   #100 (permalink)
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^ Exactly that. Let's just say you were given a life in prison sentence and your choices are checking out early, or living that miserable experience for however long you remain in conscious existence. I'm a person that loves life and has never been depressed andnever has thought of suicide and I'd probably lean towards checking out, because all pleasure and positive experiences in life would be over anyway and I'd have no point of existing beyond likely being victimized repeatedly.

Justice from others point of view wouldn't be a deciding factor...
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