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djchameleon 04-11-2011 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1034972)
Did you hear about the fisherman who killed himself after the BP oil spill? In situations like that, it could very well be that they're distraught over the very fact that they feel they can't provide for their family anymore. That they can't really do much of anything else, it's just a dead end. I love how ignorant your statement is! :laughing:
You just O'reilly'd me!

Did you even read the rest of my post?

Howard the Duck 04-11-2011 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1034953)
I agree with some of the points Dirty made but not all of them. Suicide is cowardly AND selfish. Most people that attempt suicide and fail is because they were too much of a coward to do it the right way and off their selves. The people that constantly talk about suicide and keep threatening to do it are also cowardly and just crying out for help. If someone wanted to really commit suicide they would plot out all of the details in there head so there is no way that they can fail and to not set off any alarms so that someone could stop them. They pretend to be happy/normal around people so that they can get it over and done with, without having someone interrupt their process.

the act of suicide is pretty ballsy but most people that attempt are cowards and haven't thought it through so that's why they fail. If they really want to kill themselves they would come up with the best solution to do it and work through all of the scenarios in their head so that it doesn't fail at all.
most of the successful suicide attempts are exactly that

CanwllCorfe 04-11-2011 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1034975)
You just O'reilly'd me!

Did you even read the rest of my post?
In the first response you said, "suicide is cowardly AND selfish" and then talk about how to do it. Second one is still about how to do it and how to not fail, and then the third part is what I responded to. Nowhere in your post did you say it was "unselfish". That's the only thing that would be relevant, because that specific thing is what I was referring to.

pooka 04-11-2011 10:02 AM
suicide is stupid, wasteful and cowardly. going over this thread again im appaled at how many people are clinically depressed. this is a heavily morbid topic and some of you should seek help. i would hate to find a forum member did something along these lines.

and on another note some of these posts make me wonder what qualifies as something to be depressed about. im curious about that. look, when you die thats it, theres no definitive proof theres an afterlife. so in my opinion id rather be depressed than dead because you at least do feel something.

Paedantic Basterd 04-11-2011 10:08 AM
You would actually be surprised what your body will withstand, and how poorly informed people are about various methods of harmful action. It's not a matter of being too afraid to do it right. What sense does that make, when doing it wrong is going to be by far the more complicated and difficult result for the victim?

Deej, it's a bit sick that you think what's cowardly is not getting it right. Suggesting that it's brave or noble to succeed in suicide is a bit deplorable.

djchameleon 04-11-2011 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1034972)
Did you hear about the fisherman who killed himself after the BP oil spill? In situations like that, it could very well be that they're distraught over the very fact that they feel they can't provide for their family anymore. That they can't really do much of anything else, it's just a dead end. I love how ignorant your statement is! :laughing:
I know that is how they feel like it's a dead end and they feel like they can't provide for their family but it's not the end of the world. There are always other options. It's still selfish on his part. How is him being dead helping his family now? they are still going to be struggling. He could've atleast had the balls to stay alive and figure out a way to provide for his family. It's almost like he didn't want the responsibility anymore and he gave up. Still SELFISH!

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1035015)
In the first response you said, "suicide is cowardly AND selfish" and then talk about how to do it. Second one is still about how to do it and how to not fail, and then the third part is what I responded to. Nowhere in your post did you say it was "unselfish". That's the only thing that would be relevant, because that specific thing is what I was referring to.
Okay, I thought you just skipped over everything and went to one point to quote/highlight and then say the statement is ignorant without reading the rest of the post.

CanwllCorfe 04-11-2011 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1035020)
I know that is how they feel like it's a dead end and they feel like they can't provide for their family but it's not the end of the world. There are always other options. It's still selfish on his part. How is him being dead helping his family now? they are still going to be struggling. He could've atleast had the balls to stay alive and figure out a way to provide for his family. It's almost like he didn't want the responsibility anymore and he gave up. Still SELFISH!
You can't KNOW what he was thinking. They're not even close to being in a logical mindset. Don't forget that they kill themselves. It's pretty hard to imagine how much anguish they were feeling. And I believe my point STILL stands. Yes, he could have still helped them, but not in the way that he knew how. He had no plan B. Just imagine looking at your kid and your wife, thinking that you can't help them. You can't just say "well he should have thought THIS". That's like asking a murderer, "HEY, DID YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT THEIR FAMILY?!?!" People of sound mind don't commit suicide, obviously. And they're fully aware of what problems it will cause. So I don't think anyone can point the finger at them and say what they're doing is "selfish" because we really don't know what's going through their head. Especially one that's obviously compromised.

Paedantic Basterd 04-11-2011 10:34 AM
To call something selfish is to imply that one's own interests are considered alone, however, depression being a mental illness, you can't bring any thought or logic into it. You simply can't claim thoughtlessness to a person who can't think normally. You can't ascribe any logical or decisive adjectives to an illness of that nature.

pooka 04-11-2011 10:36 AM
^having worked with the mentally ill i kind of think this statement is wrong. most mentally ill patients are quite coherent on what they are doing and what they want.

Paedantic Basterd 04-11-2011 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pooka (Post 1035029)
^having worked with the mentally ill i kind of think this statement is wrong. most mentally ill patients are quite coherent on what they are doing and what they want.
There are so many different variables and specifics that you fail to acknowledge here that I can't believe you have worked with them in any more than a casual, passing manner.


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