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Old 09-10-2010, 12:28 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Who are the real crazies. Them?...or us for idly standing by?
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:41 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Who are the real crazies. Them?...or us for idly standing by?
And just what do you propose we do about it?
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:51 PM   #43 (permalink)
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And just what do you propose we do about it?
Well you could read my previous posts, Spike.

Without sounding like I'm preaching here. You could always do what we did with the Irish...compromise.
It took us both 40 years of death and conflict to work that one out.

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Old 09-10-2010, 01:13 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I have been reading your posts, RT. I don't think that anyone is going to disagree with you in that this guy is a basket case and is, in my opinion, abusing his right to free speech; however, it's not like we can mobilize a lynch mob to shut him up. While he may be abusing his right and walking a fine line between expressing his opinion and committing a hate crime, he is still within the law. The vast majority of the public can see this guy for the nutjob that he is, but all we can do is shake our heads in dismay. Our hands are tied. We can't go out there and physically bar or silence him.
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:20 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Yes, respect. Respect for MORAL SUBJECTS. But:

  • Dead people ARE NOT moral subjects (because they don't exist anymore).
  • Belief systems ARE NOT moral subjects (because they are abstractions).
The expresion "insult Islam" has the same moral meaning as "insult the metric system" or "insult basketball rules".

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Respect > Freedom.
Sure? Let's see a football example: St George's Cross.

"St George's Cross has been adopted on the coat of arms and flags of several countries and cities which have St George as a patron saint, notably England, Georgia, Aragon, Greece, Genoa and Barcelona." (Wikipedia)

Therefore, many football teams include the cross in their badge. But.... it turns out to be that St George's Cross is "offensive" to some Muslims:

TheOPINIONATOR: ENGLISH CROSS OF ST GEORGE FLAG DEEMED OFFENSIVE TO MUSLIMS

In Spain, SD Huesca was warned in 2008 that its shirt could "provoke violence" (sic). When this was known, sales of team's shirt rised spectacularly. Because people wanted to show "respect", of course. Or was it freedom?



Now, you can remain faithful to your noble ideals of tolerance and respect, and hide your national flag in order to not to offend other beliefs.

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Old 09-10-2010, 01:32 PM   #46 (permalink)
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That article is the opinion of a British policeman and was the opinion of some local governments.
In reality the Muslim community deplored the decision and in fact said they had no problem whatsoever with the George Cross and respected the national flag of the country they live in.
They also made it known to those local governments that banning the George Cross on their behalf, despite them not being consulted on the matter, would in fact do more harm than good and only add ammunition to those who would take every opportunity to drive a wedge between their communities and others.

It was nothing more than political correctness gone mad.
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:38 PM   #47 (permalink)
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The expresion "insult Islam" has the same moral meaning as "insult the metric system" or "insult basketball rules".
That has to be the biggest pile of bullshit I've read on these boards.
Stop splitting hairs.
I'm talking about the act of burning the Koran!

Whether or not it should be taken as an insult is academic.
This is the real world. Allow me to illustrate.

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Old 09-10-2010, 02:02 PM   #48 (permalink)
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My favorite part was "Do you want to end up like Europe?"

god what an idiot.
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Old 09-10-2010, 02:08 PM   #49 (permalink)
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That has to be the biggest pile of bullshit I've read on these boards.
I knew it: pearls before swine. OK, keep in your tabloid culture and forget me.
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Where are all your crazy lone gunmen when you need one?
To paraphrase Bill Hicks, it's always the geniuses who are shot. Meanwhile, idiots roam free.

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I knew it: pearls before swine. OK, keep in your tabloid culture and forget me.
okay

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