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Originally Posted by Dom
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This I think is the main problem. Humanity began as an anarchy and formed governments, and by the definition of anarchy, there'd be no one to stop it happening again.
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This depends entirely on the form of "anarchy". There are many societies which lack a state (primitive Native American tribes, most monasteries, part of Spain during the civil war, etc etc)
You can't group anarchy into one term and assert "by definition" it will happen again. Humans in a tribal state are
vastly different than humans today in ways too numerous to list. Your anarchy -> state progression assumes that once the state is gone, we will go back to living in caves and hunting-gathering, which almost nobody (and certainly not myself) is advocating.
Obviously if we just tore the state away immediately, some chaos, power struggles, etc would ensue, and another one would take its place. This happens all the time. The interesting question anarchism brings up is which transitory methods we should use to get there. This is where the line between anarchism and Marxism/communism becomes rather blurred. Given that a collectivist-anarchist society is not feasible with the culture we have today, how do we change the culture to the point that it
is feasible? This was the aim of the Russian and Chinese revolutions, both just happened to fail miserably. However, we should not give up hope, but rather use these mistakes as an opportunity to learn how to enact a
successful revolution.
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Originally Posted by Stone Birds
Anarchy is wonderful idea but is nearly impossible
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It may be impossible today, but that does not mean it won't be possible in the future, nor does it mean we should give up striving towards it.
The idea that "human nature" means that anarchy will never work is erroneous to the point of absurd. Countless societies have operated on mutualist, collectivist terms. The idea of man being selfish, egoist, etc is a rather western, capitalist concept - many early European societies, as well as Eastern societies, operated not on individual self-interest, but on selfless devotion to a group, the collective, etc.
In addition, in any society, we see a myriad of people with a myriad of traits. Some are extraordinarily selfish hedonists, others are selfless, doing volunteer work, helping those in need, etc. Are the selfless people "not human" or "unnatural"? No, they're just another expression of human characteristics.
Why are some people selfish and others kind and generous? If they answer is anything but "A substantial portion of the population is genetically hardwired to be self-interested, and regardless what sort of society they are exposed to, they will act that way" (an idea which has absolutely no evidential basis, and is rather absurd), then anarchism is feasible given the right circumstances.