Approval of President Obama

djchameleon · 04-23-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CHCl3

I can understand if he has to compromise once in a while but that is not the case here.

Let me give you a few examples of his pandering.

1) The Public Option - This was the heart of President Obama's healthcare plan according to what he stated during the 2008 campaign. However once it came to defend it against Republican attacks he folded like a house of cards and axed it. Then afterwards he kept on giving more and more concessions to Republicans who's sole purpose was to delay the bill so the Democrats couldn't pass anything.

There was a bit more to it that you are leaving out. They kept going back and forth with this healthcare plan and the more that he tried to tip toe the line the more that things were taken out and by the end of it, it was a mere mutation of what his original plan was but at least some of his initial plan was still in there somewhere within all of the added stipulations.

CHCl3 · 04-24-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

There was a bit more to it that you are leaving out. They kept going back and forth with this healthcare plan and the more that he tried to tip toe the line the more that things were taken out and by the end of it, it was a mere mutation of what his original plan was but at least some of his initial plan was still in there somewhere within all of the added stipulations.

I don't understand what I left out. We are saying the exact same thing. The difference between us seems to be more of perspective from what I am reading. You call it "tip toeing the line" while I am calling "pandering".

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you and if that's so then my bad.

djchameleon · 04-24-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CHCl3

I don't understand what I left out. We are saying the exact same thing. The difference between us seems to be more of perspective from what I am reading. You call it "tip toeing the line" while I am calling "pandering".

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you and if that's so then my bad.

What we are saying is slightly similar but the way I read it, you made it seem like he just instantly folded over instead of putting up a bit of a fight which he did but he couldn't do it for too long.

CHCl3 · 04-25-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

What we are saying is slightly similar but the way I read it, you made it seem like he just instantly folded over instead of putting up a bit of a fight which he did but he couldn't do it for too long.

What do you mean by couldn't? Do you mean from a lack of willpower or from a lack of popular support?

djchameleon · 04-28-2011, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CHCl3

What do you mean by couldn't? Do you mean from a lack of willpower or from a lack of popular support?

Sorry, I took awhile to respond. He couldn't keep up the fight because it wouldn't have gotten passed. It was better to pass off a mutation of his original idea than to not get anything passed.

hip hop bunny hop · 04-28-2011, 05:39 PM

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There was a bit more to it that you are leaving out. They kept going back and forth with this healthcare plan and the more that he tried to tip toe the line the more that things were taken out and by the end of it, it was a mere mutation of what his original plan was but at least some of his initial plan was still in there somewhere within all of the added stipulations.

Let's be factual: it was not his healthcare plan. He did not submit any type of healthcare bill to Congress for approval; the bill originated in the House. He just gave broad outlines ("universal coverage", etc.) and asked that Congress meet them.

The reason why the Public Option never got very far was due to the lack of support amongst Conservative Democrats ('bluedogs'), whose support was required to pass the bill, even if it was on a strictly party line vote.

~~Farfisa~~ · 04-28-2011, 06:02 PM

I know this is old, but I really lost faith in him after what he did when bailing out some corporations.

1. Give money to failing banks
2. Don't put any restrictions on what they can do with the money
3. Watch higher-ups of failing companies give themselves huge raises
4. Listen to the same failing banks complain that they need more money
5. Give them money again, but now they are restricted on what they can do with it
6. ?????
7. Further send us into Debt...

I don't even know what the national deficit is anymore, and frankly I really am afraid to know.

CanwllCorfe · 04-28-2011, 08:58 PM

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~~Farfisa~~ · 04-28-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

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hip hop bunny hop · 04-28-2011, 10:13 PM

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I know this is old, but I really lost faith in him after what he did when bailing out some corporations.

1) Are you referring to TARP or the Detroit bail out?

2) TARP cost less than the S&L bailout of the 80s; without adjusting for inflation.

3) Obama supported TARP when he was a candidate; as it occured under Bush 2.

.....

Really, I opposed and continue to oppose TARP, but these ad hominem, uninformed, liberal attacks on it are - to say the least - annoying.

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~~Farfisa~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,773	I know this is old, but I really lost faith in him after what he did when bailing out some corporations. 1. Give money to failing banks 2. Don't put any restrictions on what they can do with the money 3. Watch higher-ups of failing companies give themselves huge raises 4. Listen to the same failing banks complain that they need more money 5. Give them money again, but now they are restricted on what they can do with it 6. ????? 7. Further send us into Debt... I don't even know what the national deficit is anymore, and frankly I really am afraid to know. Last edited by Farfisa; 04-28-2011 at 08:59 PM.

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