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Old 05-02-2011, 12:25 AM   #171 (permalink)
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There weren't religious overtones. This is the debate.
I see. I haven't heard the speech so I have no idea.

Is America truly a religious focused nation (i.e. the Christian bible belt) or has that changed now?

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Old 05-02-2011, 12:25 AM   #172 (permalink)
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I'm not really surprised this has turned into a religious discussion. And this is why.

1. The terrorists are a religiously motivated group in part. (mostly artificially its more about rich men wanting to stay rich and get richer and using religion to accomplish this).

2. The USA is supposed to be a secular state, but a lot of people (none that I recall really meeting.. but I do live in Canada) apparently think this is a religious war.

3. People like me view this as being a war of the west against religious tyranny.

4. Many other people view this as a war between two religions christianity- islam. (this is sort of 2.)


So religion is pretty tied in.

People like me think that the war is a bit self defeating if we validate religious subtext and give people any reason to believe its about anything other than pay back, oil, and now re-elections.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:25 AM   #173 (permalink)
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I already explained to you that God with a capital "G" refers to the Christian god. Not sure why you chose to ignore that.
He also ignored my most recent post about the 1st amendment clauses, but amidst the debate that might have just been an oversight
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:26 AM   #174 (permalink)
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I don't think theres a need. Its a rhetorical device. My point is, unless you're just wholly opposed to religion, there isn't anything that is jumping out as offensive there. He didn't say "lets pray to a Christian God for thanks on this one."

Also, how does he look like Bush?
He was making a speech about how we hunted down and killed an Al-Queda leader and concluded it with a bunch of "God bless the USA" nonsense. How does that not look like Bush?
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:26 AM   #175 (permalink)
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I see. I haven't heard the speech so I have no idea.

Is America truly a religious focused nation (i.e. the Christian bible belt) or has that changed now?

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No. Its not. And Obama has said we are a secular nation in a global speech in Cairo. Its being blown WAY out of proportion.

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I'm not really surprised this has turned into a religious discussion. And this is why.

1. The terrorists are a religiously motivated group in part. (mostly artificially its more about rich men wanting to stay rich and get richer and using religion to accomplish this).

2. The USA is supposed to be a secular state, but a lot of people (none that I recall really meeting.. but I do live in Canada) apparently think this is a religious war.

3. People like me view this as being a war of the west against religious tyranny.

4. Many other people view this as a war between two religions christianity- islam. (this is sort of 2.)


So religion is pretty tied in.

People like me think that the war is a bit self defeating if we validate religious subtext and give people any reason to believe its about anything other than pay back, oil, and now re-elections.
I'm just glad you're saying now what you tried to hide earlier. You're just upset about every issue going on. Obama wasn't the politician you thought he'd be despite what he said in the campaign.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:27 AM   #176 (permalink)
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I see. I haven't heard the speech so I have no idea.

Is America truly a religious focused nation (i.e. the Christian bible belt) or has that changed now?

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Sometimes it feels like it, that's for sure.
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He was making a speech about how we hunted down and killed an Al-Queda leader and concluded it with a bunch of "God bless the USA" nonsense. How does that not look like Bush?
If thats all it takes to be Bush, then countless Presidents are Bush. He finishes every speech - every one - with that same phrase. Find a speech where he doesn't. He came out of the freaking gate with that ****. Why is it a problem now?
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:28 AM   #178 (permalink)
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I'm not really surprised this has turned into a religious discussion. And this is why.

1. The terrorists are a religiously motivated group in part. (mostly artificially its more about rich men wanting to stay rich and get richer and using religion to accomplish this).

2. The USA is supposed to be a secular state, but a lot of people (none that I recall really meeting.. but I do live in Canada) apparently think this is a religious war.

3. People like me view this as being a war of the west against religious tyranny.

4. Many other people view this as a war between two religions christianity- islam. (this is sort of 2.)


So religion is pretty tied in.

People like me think that the war is a bit self defeating if we validate religious subtext and give people any reason to believe its about anything other than pay back, oil, and now re-elections.
How is it a war solely between Christianity and Islam? Where did you get that? Last time I checked it was based on the oil control. East versus west and all that.

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Old 05-02-2011, 12:28 AM   #179 (permalink)
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I already explained to you that God with a capital "G" refers to the Christian god. Not sure why you chose to ignore that.
I see you read the the transcript of the speech and not actually watch it. I was obviously the one that used God with a capital "G" and I gave a legitimate apology for not using correct grammar. You have not and you choose to ignore this "string of Christian comments" . Though this debate shouldn't be seen as an argument, so I'm going to let it be.

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Er, did I miss where everyone came out and said they were atheists, or where this debate was limited to atheists?
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