Neapolitan

I thought that was the president until 1:05 when he started rapping.

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Dirty

I knew you were gonna bring Iraq into the equation once you started talking about morals. In your judgment, the USA's morals are already on par with Al Quaeda's. Would giving OBL a trial really even change your mind considering the Iraq war?? I doubt it.

What's the point in wasting more time and money on the trial? The only argument is from a "its the right thing to do!" viewpoint. And if that's the case, I'll just say again that I don't value all lives the same. My government doesn't view all lives the same. And when you get a shot at the biggest threat to the USA, you take the shot. I don't even know how you would capture Bin Laden without having to kill him. Do you honestly see OBL surrendering under any circumstance? Taking him alive meant more safety risk for the SEALs and everyone involved.

As for shithead Pakistan... If it wasn't for them, we would have probably got Bin Laden years ago. They found Bin Laden in a huge, expensive mansion like half a mile away from the military base in Pakistan in a town mainly of Pakistani soldiers... There's suggestions that he had lived there several years. Are you kidding me? Some allies they are, huh? Bin Laden definitely had to have had people in the Pakistani government watching his back. We didn't tell the Pakistan government what we were doing because those idiots would have probably warned him.

Paedantic Basterd

I certainly hope there's no shift of the war from Iraq to Pakistan, given the obvious deceit.

Dirty

I doubt we'll go to war with Pakistan (given how poorly viewed the Iraq war has turned out), but I wouldn't be surprised if we stop aiding them financially. I don't know why we are allies with them, but I am pretty sure we aid them with over a BILLION dollars a year.

And there's just no way that political officals in Pakistan didn't know about Bin Laden. They are gonna play the dumb card and probably try to act as naive as possible. If Bin Laden was hiding out .8 miles from West Point, he would've been captured in probably 30 seconds. Does anyone here really believe that Pakistan didn't have some idea OBL was hiding in their country? Cmon, Bin Laden didn't even try to be discreet, he was chillin in a goddamn mansion. That's how unafraid he was of Pakistani government because he knew they were protecting him.

MoonlitSunshine

And I should have realised that you'd take everything I said way out of proportion. Thanks for shoving some words in my mouth. Firstly, did I ever say that I thought America had no morals? The Iraqi comment was more in response to Tuna, who I was also talking to, about how the actions of the USA had also resulted in the loss of thousands of lives. Even if I did believe that America has no morals, I am a forgiving person, I believe that people can change. If someone does something wrong the first time, and then does it right the second time, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. If they however do something wrong, and then proceed to do it again, it's only going to solidify my belief.


So basically, if it's too much effort to do the right thing, you're not bothered? Great. Secondly, OBL was nowhere near the greatest thread to the USA. He was an isolated figurehead who no longer dealt with the running of Al-Qaeda. If he had been taken out ten years ago, I'd agree, but leadership of the organisation had been passed on in all but name long ago. Killing him isn't going to make the slightest difference to their ability or organisation. Thirdly, you obviously don't think it was in any way necessary to capture him alive. That's fine, I can understand the reasoning, but don't try and make up bullshit excuses as to why it would have been impossible. I'm pretty sure SEALs are fully trained in capture missions as well as kill missions, and OBL was a sick, old politician. Not exactly the type of person renowned for their martial prowess.


I have one question for you: What possible reason would the Pakistani government have for hiding a mass murdering terrorist?

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djchameleon

That's not how war works. We will probably do one of two things either stop funding them since we helped set up their military and gave them aid or we will continue to fund them, give them training and assist them because they aren't a threat.


Sure , it sounds suspicious that they didn't know he was there with a base so close to that mansion but I really believe it falls back to the whole impostor scenario that Bin Laden was so clever to have. He had so many of them that he was able to hide in plain sight. He's pretty smart and that's the type of shit that you see in some movies.

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midnight rain

I don't think the Iraq War and how the Al Qaeda go about their operations is equatable at all, aside the fact that they've both caused deaths. Circumstances are important too.

The Pakistani Government's staying quiet because they know damn well that they've been hiding Bin Laden and don't want to draw any more attention to themselves, as Dirty said.


It's not about effort, unless you count the loss of a highly trained SEAL as "too much effort". I think it's more about not risking the life of one of our own for someone who really doesn't deserve a life, much less having his life placed above one of the SEALs. When he's advancing toward an AK-47, I'd be shooting to kill.

MoonlitSunshine

That's funny, cause I'd read that they'd made an announcement saying that they were glad he was dead and that justice had been served, and there are also a number of Articles on the BBC website were they have talked to Pakistani officials. Maybe you just haven't looked into this? I love the way the first reaction of many of you has been outright accusation with nothing more than circumstantial evidence. That's definitely conducive to world stability... It's almost like you want half the world to dislike you.

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midnight rain

So you're point is that they didn't come out and announce that they were hiding Osama, hate us, and want to killl us all?

And we don't have to want half the world to dislike us, it kind of seems the case no matter what we do. Kill a Worldwide operational terrorist, get backlash for shooting him unarmed, not alerting a country, etc.

I haven't seen an American act NOT scrutinized actually, even ones that seem positive in every aspect.

djchameleon

That's so true, it has become some kind of sport to see which other country can hate us the most and it doesn't matter what the hell we do.

We will forever be in the wrong while every other countries sits up on their high glass horse

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.