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Old 06-01-2011, 11:20 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Yes. God is capable of giving humans free will.
This sort of begs the question: Is it truly free will if it must be GIVEN to us, and not inherently a part of us to begin with?

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God creates us humans full of imperfections and flaws and that's what makes us perfect in HIS eyes. That's what also makes the world interesting and beautiful.
This is completely contradictory to the Bible, which says that God is perfect. It also says the we are created in his image and likeness. How can we be imperfect if he is perfect, yet we are created in his image?

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But because He loves us all, He dies on the cross to save all of us from eternal hell.
If he died to save us all from Hell, then why do our actions matter? How can our bad behavior send us to Hell if he already died to save us?
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:32 AM   #42 (permalink)
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This sort of begs the question: Is it truly free will if it must be GIVEN to us, and not inherently a part of us to begin with?
God gave us our lives and existence. Anything inherit, including free will, is given by HIM.

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This is completely contradictory to the Bible, which says that God is perfect. It also says the we are created in his image and likeness. How can we be imperfect if he is perfect, yet we are created in his image?
God is perfect, yes. Because His a perfect Creator, He made us humans in His own image and likeness. All of us humans has that inherit nature of being loving, caring, good, kind just like God. But because of free will, some humans decide and choose to go the different path (violent, rude, evil, brutal). Our actions make us imperfect. And God is fully aware of that.

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If he died to save us all from Hell, then why do our actions matter? How can our bad behavior send us to Hell if he already died to save us?
I don't believe in Hell. But I do believe that God opens the doors of heaven for all of us. He understands our bad behaviours, but that doesn't make Him love us any less. We are His children and he loves us no less than the Pope or the Saints.
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God gave us our lives and existence. Anything inherit, including free will, is given by HIM.
I guess what I was getting at is that free will can't be given. Once it is given, it is no longer free will because it is forced upon us.
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On a side note, I was scrolling down the forum and briefly thought this thread read "Can God give free wifi?", to which I thought "I wish".
If God could give free WiFi I would become a devout Christian and go to church for the rest of my life.
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If God could give free WiFi I would become a devout Christian and go to church for the rest of my life.
Anyone know God's WEP encryption?

I hear Satan is offering free 4G mobile broadband. But you have to sign over your soul, pretty much the same as a Sprint contract.
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Anyone know God's WEP encryption?

I hear Satan is offering free 4G mobile broadband. But you have to sign over your soul, pretty much the same as a Sprint contract.
The Flying Spagetti Monster is offering something similar, but you have to give it your first-born child or something.
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:20 PM   #47 (permalink)
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And atheists are accused of believing that the universe is pointless (which it is).
That's because the idea that everything has a "purpose" or a "point" is purely a human construction. Once you remove yourself from the pompous, human-centric view that everything revolves around us as a species, you realize this.
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:31 PM   #48 (permalink)
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@ The Virgin

I don't believe in God, so a lot of what you've said doesn't really make sense to me. I was raised Catholic so it's not the first time I'm hearing any of what you're saying.

I just find that the majority, if not all, of these responses ignore the question rather than address it.
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Anyone know God's WEP encryption?

I hear Satan is offering free 4G mobile broadband. But you have to sign over your soul, pretty much the same as a Sprint contract.
If god uses WEP, then he's a moron, and his shit will get hacked in a matter of minutes. It's all about WPA2 + TKIP. Praise the lord.
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The Flying Spagetti Monster is offering something similar, but you have to give it your first-born child or something.


On an off topic: The Virgin, do you believe God will accept you into his heart as a gay person?

Disclaimer: I fully support gay people and am always torn about whether its allowed by God or not. Personally I think it has to be, it seems to me people are born with it, little children show signs of being gay even! God created us to be imperfect.

Sort of on topic: I'm no theologist, but if you commit a crime such as murder and hate crimes, and do not have God in your heart there is no way you will get into Heaven or be cleansed etc. I'm not entirely sure about reformed murderers etc, but the consensus is that God will look back on an individuals life, weigh up how they behaved, treated others and whether they had any love in their hearts and determine if they deserve an all access pass to heaven or not.

On topic: I believe my life is predestined, but I have no clue into what the destiny is. Some people are given insights into how their destiny will be by being given certain roles to take in life that are important for God. You can argue that free-will is really predestined, but God knows all of us so well that he can pin point we will make certain decisions over others. Some decisions will be good, others bad but it's all about us growing as a person and learning about ourselves. Mistakes happen (drug abuse, prostitution, lying and adultery), however, there is always time to change your ways and give back to others/repent in some form/connect with God.
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