Fat People - A Burden On The State?

djchameleon · 06-03-2011, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

Of course you cant just stop eating true enough but you can choose to eat different types of food can you not? You can acheive some amount of self control in the amounts of what you eat. Again I think in both cases its a matter of motivation, and want to.

Not everyone is strong enough to do these things on their own. Congrats to you for being able to knock your two habits like that but people can have motivation and drive to do it but they are so far gone that they need some assistance from a program to help put them on the right track.

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

But to the ones that insist on stuffing their face and over indulging to the point of gluttony is a lack of self control imo.

There are way deeper issues than just lack of self control. Some of you guys need to step back out of your shoes and think about more than just how you deal with situations and how people get to the point where they are obese. Have you ever actually spoken to an obese person besides making fun of them? Have you ever heard their story about what got them to the point that they are the weight size that they are? If you do that you may actually be enlightened to the fact that there are other issues that go into them being the size they are and not just a "oh I like this food and I can't stop eating it because it taste soooo good."

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

I just get pissed off when obviously overweight people get foodstamps.

your weight has nothing to do with your income as far as that's concerned. So you are saying only thin people that get fired and are having a hard time finding a job are okay to get foodstamps but fuck the fattie that used to work for a living and was fired from the same company as the thin person. That fattie doesn't need to eat anymore because they can just live off of their fat.

Come on now.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

I did want to raise a healthy debate and I knew it could get tense. As a person who has suffered from depression and has both nearly stopped eating and overeaten in different times I can see what a complex situation it can be for bigger people. However there is a point where you have to see that your over eating, never getting out is going to kill you and be a burden to others and your family if you don't make a change.

Not everyone can see that point without a little help from outside, maybe having a counselor or something to show them what's going to happen to them if they keep on their current path in that lifestyle and show them ways to change their eating habits.

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Originally Posted by captaincaptain

The main point I attempted to make was more about living an unhealthy life. A lot of people that claim they don't gain weight because they have a high metabolism doesn't mean their healthy. You can be overweight, even obese and live a healthy, active lifestyle. Though when we're talking about people that are 350-400+ lbs., it's not just a thyroid problem, it's because they allowed themselves to get to that point.

Yes they just allowed themselves to get to that point because food is so delicious that they loved being talked about and made fun of in public right?

Take a step back and go into their shoes for a moment. There are many factors that may have lead that person to getting up to that high weight. Depression is usually a main factor but even then. If they get themselves into the situation some of them know that they have to get out of it because they will die but they don't know the proper means/ways to go about doing it. Some might still even be in a depressed state. They need help it's not something they can just do on their own. You guys are quick to give advice to alcoholics to get into a program to help them recover but no fuck the fattie they got themselves into this situation. That's the point I believe that Pedestrian was trying to make.

captaincaptain · 06-03-2011, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Yes they just allowed themselves to get to that point because food is so delicious that they loved being talked about and made fun of in public right?

Take a step back and go into their shoes for a moment. There are many factors that may have lead that person to getting up to that high weight. Depression is usually a main factor but even then. If they get themselves into the situation some of them know that they have to get out of it because they will die but they don't know the proper means/ways to go about doing it. Some might still even be in a depressed state. They need help it's not something they can just do on their own. You guys are quick to give advice to alcoholics to get into a program to help them recover but no fuck the fattie they got themselves into this situation. That's the point I believe that Pedestrian was trying to make.

You're right. There are underlying circumstances why someone gets that way. Perhaps, I've been a little dismissive of those circumstances. Though my point was never to put any individual down. Like other addictions there has to be some kind of motivation of their part to begin the process of recovery.

I'm new to these kind of discussions on in this forum and it was never my intention to make anyone feel hurt because of their personal situation. Personally, I had four grandparents that lived unhealthy lifestyles and none of them lived past 65 and it's my goal to live beyond that, so I try to live as healthy a lifestyle as possible. I know for some it's harder and I probably didn't see it that way at first.

djchameleon · 06-03-2011, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by captaincaptain

I'm new to these kind of discussions on in this forum and it was never my intention to make anyone feel hurt because of their personal situation. Personally, I had four grandparents that lived unhealthy lifestyles and none of them lived past 65 and it's my goal to live beyond that, so I try to live as healthy a lifestyle as possible. I know for some it's harder and I probably didn't see it that way at first.

it's okay sometimes these type of discussions can get a little out of hand when people feel very passionate about their opinion/stance on an issue.

On my mother's side of the family most of her sisters are on the heavier side but no one is to the point where they are obese and only one has gotten diabetes type 2 being my mother.

Even though I'm considered overweight due to that stupid BMI scale that needs to be thrown out because it doesn't take into account body fat percentage I'm pretty healthy by the way I eat and that I make sure that I'm jogging every other morning and on the off days, I make sure that I keep myself busy as far as moving around going for a walk things like that.

My personal goal is to avoid getting diabetes type 2 because that's so easily prevented.

I'm healthier than someone that weighs less than me but drinks beer and smokes. I'd be able to outrun them in a heart beat.

Bloozcrooz · 06-03-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by captaincaptain

You're right. There are underlying circumstances why someone gets that way. Perhaps, I've been a little dismissive of those circumstances. Though my point was never to put any individual down. Like other addictions there has to be some kind of motivation of their part to begin the process of recovery.

I'm new to these kind of discussions on in this forum and it was never my intention to make anyone feel hurt because of their personal situation. Personally, I had four grandparents that lived unhealthy lifestyles and none of them lived past 65 and it's my goal to live beyond that, so I try to live as healthy a lifestyle as possible. I know for some it's harder and I probably didn't see it that way at first.

Thats just how society works now a days man. Your not allowed to say what you really think only what people want to hear. Even if what they want to hear is only inflating the issue, and potentially doing more harm than good. Personaly in life I tend to value, and trust someones brutal honesty(even if it is offensive) rather than someone who says something just to pacify me, or safe guard my feelins, but thats not the case for everyone, and thats their right.
I dont have problems with alcohol or cigarette jokes, and welcome them with open arms. In fact ive even been debating putting myself in a pressured to drink situation just to build up my resistance, and see how id respond. Its not going to go away, and its not like im going to start crying cause people are talking about alcohol or consuming it in my presence, and smoking ciggs as well. Then I again I guess I could break down, and get offended fall off the wagon buy a pack of smokes and throw caution to the wind. Then when life crumbles even more just blame it on how offended I was, and ask the government to start sponsoring me, and bail me out of the self created pity party I had created for myself. All because I wasnt strong enough on the exterior to handle the enevitable problems, and dilemmas life throws at you. Have someone sugar coat the approach they take(so I can not really take them serious) while they explain the problem at hand, and further the exsistance of a self destructive path.

Or I can continue to man up, and recognize the rewards of what will pay off in the long term. Instead of letting my emotions get bent out of shape because of comments someone made or lack there of because they were afraid of hurting my feelings. Either or if thats all it takes to crack my shell than I would be in for a long hard road of infinate failure of acheiving any life that had any kind of substance to it. So ill choose the latter, and remain sober, and aware that not everything in life is a bed of roses, and if I cant acheive something on my own or maybe with a lil help from my family. Then I damn sure aint going to ask the government for it..ill just go without. Accountability in modern society has been lost somewhere through the years, but all this is just my opinion and stance on things.