Do atheists believe that Jesus existed?

**Janszoon** · 08-10-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Haven't you seen The Phantom Menace?

So god is midi-chlorians?

Buzzov*en · 08-10-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

If you're doubting the existence of Christ, then you are essentially denying ancient history as a whole. The Roman historian Tacitus and ancient hebrew historian Josephus have chronicled the life and times of Jesus in their writings and histories. So to deny them would essentially be the equivalent of denying all written history.

The so called evidence is too weak to prove a Jesus Christ existed IMO.
There is no verifiable proof.

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Not really. A little digging on the topic reveals that it's not as ironclad as some people would have you believe.

Exactly.

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Buzzov*en is a troll, no need to even reply to his posts.

Per the ideals of the thread, I believe that there is sufficient evidence for the existence of a man named Jesus. His existence is usually a given, seeing as how he has been named in numerous religious texts. It's usually his works that are brought into question, not his mere existence, so this seems like a step backwards to me.

I am far from a troll. Just because my beliefs differ from your's does not mean I am trolling. Thanks for trying though.

Since when do religious texts count as evidence? The Gospel accounts are no more historical than any other myth in the history of the world.

SATCHMO · 10-22-2011, 01:48 AM

I believe Jesus existed. I don't believe all the claptrap about his virgin birth and him subsequently being "god's only begotten son", or his death being an atonement for the "sins" of the world, however I do believe that he performed spontaneous healings, reappeared-- not resurrected-- after death and that he was one of the few well known ascended masters of the world, who managed to escape the dream of the ego and the birth/death cycle.

skaltezon · 10-22-2011, 05:07 AM

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I believe Jesus was one of the few well known ascended masters of the world, who managed to escape the dream of the ego and the birth/death cycle.

Theosophy? Ascended master - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SATCHMO · 10-22-2011, 12:19 PM

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Theosophy? Ascended master - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Precisely.

mettalmag · 11-08-2011, 04:45 AM

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s_k · 11-08-2011, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

Yes, I do believe he existed but I know his divinity was invented
However if the rest of the **** is true, he was a pretty progressive guy. I'm down with Jesus, in that case.

I'm not sure if his entire divinity was invented, but I'm sure some stuff was added throughout the years. I guess jesus existed and he became a legend, but I don't know if he deserved that.
So to me he exists as an historical character, Much like Julius Ceasar or Napoleon. I have no reason to 'believe' in him

blankety blank · 11-29-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

Yes, I do believe he existed but I know his divinity was invented
However if the rest of the **** is true, he was a pretty progressive guy. I'm down with Jesus, in that case.

I do not believe a man named Jesus Christ ever stepped foot on this planet.

I do believe, however, that someone named Jesus did come in the flesh, was the Divine Word made flesh, and was born of a virgin named Mary. And, is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and was crucified, and not only will, but has risen again the third day.

But, the whole story is a literal myth. And, you are right, Jesus was cosmically progressive, and, I am really down with that as well. Jesus isn't so down with Christianity, however.

Now, without going all Josephus, can you prove that he actually was a historical walking, talking human being? Everyone who has studied knows that the Testimonium Flavianum is almost certainly a later interpolation.

Here's something interesting I will provide for free

MT 1:12 And after the Babylonian removal, Jeconiah begat Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begat Zerubbabel,
MT 1:13 and Zerubbabel begat Abiud, and Abiud begat Eliakim, and Eliakim begat Azor,
MT 1:14 and Azor begat Sadok, and Sadok begat Achim, and Achim begat Eliud,
MT 1:15 and Eliud begat Eleazar, and Eleazar begat Matthan, and Matthan begat Jacob,
MT 1:16 and Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was begotten Jesus, who is named Christ.
MT 1:17 All the generations, therefore, from Abraham unto David `are' fourteen generations, and from David unto the Babylonian removal fourteen generations, and from the Babylonian removal unto the Christ, fourteen generations.

Count the bold blacks. Unless Jeconiah was begotten twice by Josiah, then we have a situation. Why does it have to be so freaking complicated?

Just come down through those clouds and clear it all up, already!

What's that Jesus? Too many airplanes? Ah crap! Rapture's off folks. Sorry.

I'm sure there is a bible scholar in the house here who can explain this Ramona. It would take me a book or two just for this one chapter.

Might have something to do with Uriah, so, I think some Uriah's Heep is in order.

Take me across the water
‘Cause I need some place to hide
I done the rancher’s daughter
And I sure did hurt his pride

Well, there's a
Hundred miles of desert
Lies between his hide and mine
I don't need no food
And no water, Lord
‘Cos I'm running out of time

Fightin', killin', wine and women
Gonna put me to my grave
Runnin', hidin', losin', cryin'
Nothing left to save but my life

Stood on a ridge
And shunned religion
Thinking the world was mine
I made my break and a big mistake
Stealin', when I
Should've been buyin'

All that fightin', killin'
Wine and those women
Gonna put me to an early grave
Runnin', hidin', losin', cryin'
Nothing left to save but my life, life...

So I stood on a ridge
And shunned religion
Thinking the world was mine
I made my break and a big mistake
Stealin', when I
Should've been buyin'
I was stealin’
When I should’ve been buyin’
I was stealin’
When I should’ve been buyin’
Stealin’, when I
Should’ve been buyin’ ..
I was stealin’ ...

Who wrote this 'psalm' anyway?

peace

Howard the Duck · 11-29-2011, 11:59 PM

i'd like to interject with the scene from the comic "The Dark Knight Strikes Back"

after seeing Green Lantern's light enveloping the world

the Pope said "it be a Rapture"

off-page caption - "No"

Ayatollah said "JIHAD"

off-page caption - "FUCK OFF"

blankety blank · 11-30-2011, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i'd like to interject with the scene from the comic "The Dark Knight Strikes Back"

after seeing Green Lantern's light enveloping the world

the Pope said "it be a Rapture"

off-page caption - "No"

Ayatollah said "JIHAD"

off-page caption - "FUCK OFF"

Now your theosophy is too deep for me

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SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	I believe Jesus existed. I don't believe all the claptrap about his virgin birth and him subsequently being "god's only begotten son", or his death being an atonement for the "sins" of the world, however I do believe that he performed spontaneous healings, reappeared-- not resurrected-- after death and that he was one of the few well known ascended masters of the world, who managed to escape the dream of the ego and the birth/death cycle.