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Old 11-30-2011, 10:38 PM   #151 (permalink)
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I guess the saying should be "The version of history that you read may be obfuscated with bias, depending on the historical position of the author."

Which is like... duh.
It's just a reminder that the history you're taught in school is most likely biased as opposed to cooly objective. Not a bad thing to keep in mind imo.
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Old 12-01-2011, 01:38 AM   #152 (permalink)
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of the tribes in Israel, Yahweh's tribe were the strongest and defeated the others

what their prophets and leaders have wrote down, is now taken as literal fact by most Protestant strawmen

imagine if some other tribe worshipping some other deity were the victors

values and morals would be different

edit:- and steveeden, in case you're not aware, I'm a Gnostic Christian
Duce.... I am not discounting the relevance, or, denying the Truth of any part of the testimony of Jesus the Nazarene Christ. As for the battles of the Israelites, they were not literal wars. We are all Israel, and they represent something different than what is perceived. It is a story Duce. It is chalk full of symbolism that you say you know, but, you do not.

You say you are a 'gnostic Christian'. Then you would know that it is not about being a Christian, it is about becoming a Christ. It is not about gnosticism, it is about 'studying the Word', every Word of every scripture of every religion, mythology, so-called paganism, and every 'ology' known to man.

"You may eat freely of ALL the trees in the garden. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die".

Trees are symbolic, and are connected to characters in the books, leaves are pages, and the fruit is the knowledge.

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but, by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord/God does man live by" Every Lord in every scripture.

All these quotes I give to you are what Jesus referred to as "hidden manna"

Jesus said: Recognize what is before you, and what is hidden from you will be revealed to you; for there is nothing hidden that will not be made manifest.
"Understand what is in front of your face, and then what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you."
(Gospel of Thomas)

Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the scholars have taken the keys of knowledge and have hidden them. They have not entered nor have they allowed those who want to enter to do so. As for you, be as sly as snakes and as simple as doves."

The authority of Truth is the very spirit that indwells. The revelations of divine Truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow minded intolerance. (Jesus)

You say you are Gnostic. Then, when I said know "hawah" from "hawwah", what does that mean? Or, "ehyeh asher ehyeh"? Or, Moses, Noah, Adam, Eve, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Judah, Israel, Joseph, Benjamin, Mary, Elohim, Adonai, Ishi, Baali, David, Solomon, Nathan, Adonakim, Isaiah, Daniel, Hosea, Rachel, Leah,..........What is Logos?

Can you answer all those questions without looking it up?

I am not calling you out on this. This is why I did not want to get into this discussion. I use other forums to address religion. I address Spirituality, but, I regret making that initial post on this thread now, even, as I meant it in good fun.

All the books are True Duce. But, they are not historical accounts. Man has attempted to literally fulfill books that were meant as a means to demonstrate how the Logos of Providence had to reveal Truth through myth.
And, there are multiple roles that had to be portrayed by a very limited cast.

Do you ever wonder why Jews are prohibited from uttering the tetragrammaton? They say "HaShem". "The Name". They write L-rd, and G-d. It is for a reason Duce.

The Bible is prophecy. Pure and simple prophecy. It is just backwards.

Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is."

That simply means that the 'end' of the Bible is Gen chapter 1.

Trust me. I did not simply "pick my own cross and follow after Jesus". I chased him like a madman all of my life.

I am going to PM you to share something that I do not ever reveal. And, hopefully, you will see that I am not against anyone in the book. My obligation is to clear the Name of the Lord, and to straighten out the Jesus mess.

I will PM you, so, if you want to discuss this further, than PM me, and we will straighten this out. I am sorry if I offended you, but, this whole 'straw man' thing appears to be connected to the idea that my post was 'absurd' to the point of some kind of idiocy. If I am wrong, correct me, but, that is what I am gathering from another post.



Here is how I really feel about Jesus the Nazarene Christ.

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Old 12-01-2011, 01:59 AM   #153 (permalink)
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huh? my "strawmen" remark was in relation to you saying scholars are "apologists" so em, I agreed with you

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Steveeden:- You say you are Gnostic. Then, when I said know "hawah" from "hawwah", what does that mean? Or, "ehyeh asher ehyeh"? Or, Moses, Noah, Adam, Eve, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Judah, Israel, Joseph, Benjamin, Mary, Elohim, Adonai, Ishi, Baali, David, Solomon, Nathan, Adonakim, Isaiah, Daniel, Hosea, Rachel, Leah,..........What is Logos?

Can you answer all those questions without looking it up?
actually i'm less interested in the Logos than in the Gnosis, which is the pursuit of knowledge about Christianity

i don't quite grasp those Aramaic words you quoted
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:50 AM   #154 (permalink)
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huh? my "strawmen" remark was in relation to you saying scholars are "apologists" so em, I agreed with you

actually i'm less interested in the Logos than in the Gnosis, which is the pursuit of knowledge about Christianity

i don't quite grasp those Aramaic words you quoted
Duce.....sorry....Someone else posted explaining it differently. My bad. The Names I quoted were Hebrew, and I will share them with you in a PM. Names and the etymologies are the only tools we have to measure them by. Genealogy is very specific in the book for a reason, and, are crucial to understanding interpretation.

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actually i'm less interested in the Logos than in the Gnosis, which is the pursuit of knowledge about Christianity
Here would be a more proper interpretation of John 1:1-4

1 In the beginning was Logos, and Logos was with god, and Logos was god.
2 This One was in the beginning with god.
3 All things through him (Logos) did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.
4 In him was Life (Life refers to the Holy Spirit), and the Life was the Light of men
5 and the Light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.

14 And the Word(Logos) became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.

Logos is the Word sent as Jesus the Nazarene Christ, so, you really do need to be more interested in it than Gnosis. But, the gnostic texts are not in the canon Duce. I have them all. I have every Word ever uttered through Jesus, and, I can give them all to you. I will PM you very soon, and, I can only offer you my story, and, point you to what you are seeking. I am not a teacher, my only 'gift' is interpretation, which was granted to me by the Holy Spirit of the Divine Mother. So, let me just add this.

Duce.....a little secret. Christ is the Father. I know for a fact. I experienced enlightenment. The Cosmic Christ Consciousness. I stood in the presence of Providence. I was engulfed by a tremendous Light beaming down, and seemingly through the roof of my golf buddies house. I have experienced 'salvation', the 'resurrection and the Life' while in the flesh.

Which is why I want to PM you, and not discuss anything on the open forum.

Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. One will receive the truth in any other way. There is a rebirth and an image of rebirth. It is certainly necessary that they should be born again through the image. The bridegroom and the image must enter through the image into the truth: this is the restoration. It is appropriate that those who do not have it not only acquire the name of the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but that they have acquired it on their own. If one does not acquire the name for himself, the name Christian will also be taken from him. But one receives them in the aromatic unction of the power of the cross. This power the apostles called the right and the left For this person is no longer a Christian but a Christ.

I will contact you in a day or so, and, only if you like, and are willing to 'become like a child'. An infant Duce. A totally empty vessel, forgetting all the doctrine and dogma taught by all the Pharisees and Scribes of the day.

I will talk soon, or, let me know if you would prefer not. Clinging to the manifestations of religion will guarantee to prevent you from seeing the mystery, and the Gnosis you are seeking, trust me.

take care

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Madeline Lucille Eden - My Mother. And, Benson is both rooted in Benjamin and Benedict, And, Ashton will lead you to fraxinus ornus. "Manna Ash". A Tree.

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Old 12-01-2011, 05:26 AM   #155 (permalink)
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^^sure, PM Away
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Old 12-01-2011, 06:06 AM   #156 (permalink)
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I will happily do that. I've been up for 2 nights. Insomnia sucks. I am going to give my best effort to snooze, so, I will get with you when I rise again the third day

Can you tell me how to send my file attachments. I can build a computer from scratch, and, do not know jack about software. I don't get it. I think it is a focus problem. I need Ritalin.

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Here's a great Jesus song. Freddie Mercury. He was Zoroastrian, but, he wrote a lot of very prophetic Biblical based tunes. Go figure.

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i don't think you can send file attachments here

you can PM me and i'll give you my email for that file
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:28 AM   #158 (permalink)
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Wasn't there another guy who

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like this and was fond of

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Old 12-01-2011, 03:10 PM   #159 (permalink)
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Can someone explain this saying to me? It has never made sense. Perhaps I'm taking it too literally, but whether you win or lose has no bearing on objective historical facts and events.
If you look at how the original apostolic church has been modified, maligned, and subsequently evolved by those in positions of power (aka "the victors") it's fairly easy to see how this applies.

Here are some questions to facilitate the process of understanding this:

1. How and why did the Holy Roman Empire go from being a largely pagan entity which sought to eradicate the small, but growing, subversive Christian populace (church) to becoming what we now know as the Catholic Church?

2. How did Saul of Tarsus (Saint Paul b. ca 5 AD -67AD), Go from being one of the greatest persecutor of early Christians to being considered Christianity's greatest messenger? Mind you 13 out of the 27 books of the New Testament were "officially" written by him, (there may be more that have been incorrectly attributed to other authors) and he wasn't even an actual apostle of Jesus. Also bear in mind that there are only four Gospels in the NT which account for the life and ministry of Jesus, none of which were written by any of his contemporaries (the apostles).

I ask these question, because even writing a rudimentary history would be extremely time consuming, as it would be the equivalent of writing a small book, but the answer to both will give as much historical evidence as can be found to the true nature of the historical Jesus, if he in fact existed, which I believe he did, but his history has been written by those in power who sought to use his influence to control an ignorant populace.
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:10 PM   #160 (permalink)
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I think he probably existed yes, but i think he was in no way divine and a lot of his teachings were immoral.
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