Astral Projection and Out-of-body experiences

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 12-16-2011, 01:56 AM

Chewing (sublingually absorbing the salvia) is a modern twist on the centuries old Mazatec method of using salvia (which was actually swallowing the leaves). Chewing is best done by rolling leaves (fresh works the best) into a "quid" or ball and keeping them under the tongue for 15 to 20 minutes. This will produce a longer lasting, more meditative state that's supposedly more suited for exploration – although it will never be as powerful as smoking. I don't smoke anyway, but I also think smoking salvia might actually be squandering its usefulness in self-exploration by making it too powerful. I basically want it as a supplement in this instance.

I'm actually going to chew on that black powdery stuff (an extract). Never done it before, don't know how effective it will be. I'm a little nervous because extract is 10x more powerful than leaves (which you can buy online now), hence the name 10x. However, sublingual absorption is far less effective anyway so 1 gram of chewed extract might equal about a tenth of the gram that people usually smoke.

Mrd00d · 12-16-2011, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Conan

Chewing (sublingually absorbing the salvia) is a modern twist on the centuries old Mazatec method of using salvia (which was actually swallowing the leaves). Chewing is best done by rolling leaves (fresh works the best) into a "quid" or ball and keeping them under the tongue for 15 to 20 minutes. This will produce a longer lasting, more meditative state that's supposedly more suited for exploration – although it will never be as powerful as smoking. I don't smoke anyway, but I also think smoking salvia might actually be squandering its usefulness in self-exploration by making it too powerful. I basically want it as a supplement in this instance.

I'm actually going to chew on that black powdery stuff (an extract). Never done it before, don't know how effective it will be. I'm a little nervous because extract is 10x more powerful than leaves (which you can buy online now), hence the name 10x. However, sublingual absorption is far less effective anyway so 1 gram of chewed extract might equal about a tenth of the gram that people usually smoke.

We were smoking the 50x

blastingas10 · 12-16-2011, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrd00d

We were smoking the 50x

I once smoked 120x. We asked for the strongest stuff they had and thats what they gave us. After smoking it, I was first sucked into the garage door, as if the door was some kind of black hole. Then I managed to strip myself off of it and grab onto the side of a truck. I couldn't even stand without the assistance from the truck. I had this very strange feeling in my face, as if my face was melting. I could only mumble incoherent words. It was an extremely strange experience.

I've smoked the weaker salvia since then and it was nothing compared to the 120x. That stuff was definitely too powerful to take anything meaningful from it.

Guybrush · 12-16-2011, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I once smoked 120x. We asked for the strongest stuff they had and thats what they gave us. After smoking it, I was first sucked into the garage door, as if the door was some kind of black hole. Then I managed to strip myself off of it and grab onto the side of a truck. I couldn't even stand without the assistance from the truck. I had this very strange feeling in my face, as if my face was melting. I could only mumble incoherent words. It was an extremely strange experience.

I've smoked the weaker salvia since then and it was nothing compared to the 120x. That stuff was definitely too powerful to take anything meaningful from it.

Perhaps I'm a weird guy, but I don't see why anyone would want to experience something like that

blastingas10 · 12-16-2011, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Perhaps I'm a weird guy, but I don't see why anyone would want to experience something like that

I had no idea what I was in for! It was my first Time to smoke it. I definitely swung for the fences by getting the strongest stuff for my first time. It was an experience to say the least.

A quick question for those who are skeptical towards the supernatural, OBE's, and stuff of that nature: Do you believe in ghosts?

Mrd00d · 12-16-2011, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Perhaps I'm a weird guy, but I don't see why anyone would want to experience something like that

Well it's akin to a 15 minute roller coaster essentially. It's short, sweet, and action packed. And the potential good is incredible.

But yeah, I got sucked into the couch heh heh.

And every time I've taken it I've gotten the carousel effect. Got the mental spins.

One I remember really well was being a bottle on the shelf, and so were all my other buddies. And then I teetered over the edge and shattered on the floor...

Friends said they had a ball watching me (try to) climb the entertainment center.

My friends' Tool concert on Endor is the coolest salvia trip I've ever heardl though. That's the kind of potential there is, but who knows what you get.

It seems once your brain remembers/figures out you're on salvia you start to come down.

Guybrush · 12-16-2011, 02:15 AM

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"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves."

Seems to me the problem with this kind of drug induced so called wisdom is that it's no more profound than what any teenager with a hint of imagination could think of when looking up at a starry sky at night. What's different is the way it feels, but those feelings are created by your brain on drugs and not from being part of the cosmos or whatever (which we are 24/7 anyways) .. Drugs can make thoughts like this feel more profound, but that's it.

I believe in the usefulness of drugs for exploring past memories and so. That's a better path to drug-induced wisdom, I think.

Guybrush · 12-16-2011, 04:40 AM

I think inducing such experiences with drugs should only support the argument that there is no soul, though. I mean clearly such experiences would only show the extent of how our perception is dependent on our bodies, our neurochemistry. If the (travelling) soul/self/consciousness was independent from the body, then OBEs shouldn't need such chemical trickery.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 12-16-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

I think inducing such experiences with drugs should only support the argument that there is no soul, though. I mean clearly such experiences would only show the extent of how our perception is dependent on our bodies, our neurochemistry. If the (travelling) soul/self/consciousness was independent from the body, then OBEs shouldn't need such chemical trickery.

My only issue with this is the fact that drug induced experiences like high dosages of salvia seem to differ tremendously on clarity from sober "journeys" into the "astral plane", whatever that may be.

My point being that I feel as though if used, drugs should only be there to enhance an experience at worst, aid in meditaion at best. The drug shouldn't become the experience.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 12-16-2011, 09:39 AM

Sounds like a legitiment OBE from what I've read. But I've yet to have one.

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I think inducing such experiences with drugs should only support the argument that there is no soul, though. I mean clearly such experiences would only show the extent of how our perception is dependent on our bodies, our neurochemistry. If the (travelling) soul/self/consciousness was independent from the body, then OBEs shouldn't need such chemical trickery. __________________ Something Completely Different

12-16-2011, 01:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	Chewing (sublingually absorbing the salvia) is a modern twist on the centuries old Mazatec method of using salvia (which was actually swallowing the leaves). Chewing is best done by rolling leaves (fresh works the best) into a "quid" or ball and keeping them under the tongue for 15 to 20 minutes. This will produce a longer lasting, more meditative state that's supposedly more suited for exploration – although it will never be as powerful as smoking. I don't smoke anyway, but I also think smoking salvia might actually be squandering its usefulness in self-exploration by making it too powerful. I basically want it as a supplement in this instance. I'm actually going to chew on that black powdery stuff (an extract). Never done it before, don't know how effective it will be. I'm a little nervous because extract is 10x more powerful than leaves (which you can buy online now), hence the name 10x. However, sublingual absorption is far less effective anyway so 1 gram of chewed extract might equal about a tenth of the gram that people usually smoke.

12-16-2011, 09:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	Sounds like a legitiment OBE from what I've read. But I've yet to have one.