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Old 03-21-2012, 02:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Are you being honest or are you pulling my leg? Performing such acts of depravity wouldn't make you feel bad?
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you being honest or are you pulling my leg? Performing such acts of depravity wouldn't make you feel bad?
totally honest

there's a bunch of people i'd like to kill

and i have a hard time keeping it between my legs

uh no, i won't feel "bad" mostly cos the meds make me sort of numb
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm glad you're a religious / law abiding citizen.
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Moral humans are more successful in a social environment so it has worth even for selfish interest, but yeah - I don't believe there's anyone judging your moral actions but yourself and other people. The universe doesn't care if you're good or bad or if you eat meat or become a vegetarian.

I guess because it has so much relevance here and now, I feel morals are important, even if its worth is entirely decided by environment and context.
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Moral humans are more successful in a social environment so it has worth even for selfish interest, but yeah - I don't believe there's anyone judging your moral actions but yourself and other people. The universe doesn't care if you're good or bad or if you eat meat or become a vegetarian.

I guess because it has so much relevance here and now, I feel morals are important, even if its worth is entirely decided by environment and context.
Yeah, I just wish I could find a more compelling reason to go on other than, "Well, I don't feel like killing myself, so I might as well keep on keepin' on." That goes for morality as well as surviving in general.
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Yeah, I just wish I could find a more compelling reason to go on other than, "Well, I don't feel like killing myself, so I might as well keep on keepin' on." That goes for morality as well as surviving in general.
Everytime I've tried to jump into this thread, I ended up writing a fairly detailed paragraph, but then at the end of the paragraph, I realized what I'd written didn't make that much sense so I scrubbed it, not because I didn't have an understanding of the subject matter, but more to the fact that when mixing in morality, environment and religion, we are entering into a complex subject matter that has all types of consequences and subtle meanings, in short we're entering into an area that we as human beings are not meant to fully understand. Hell I've had these conversations with friends or collegues over the years and I'm none the wiser now. I thought the years I was at university studying an undergraduate degree and then doing post-graduate would help to put "why we are here" into a better perspective, all its done is probably left me more confused on why we are here, along with why some of us are so similiar and others so different.
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I have to admit I've had the pleasure of studying a subject that I feel answered many of the questions I previously had about stuff like this. Generally speaking, I no longer wonder where we came from or why I'm here because I've learned answers to those questions. Today, I feel like I understand the process from which atoms can arrange themselves to eventually give rise to an individual like me. Of course I don't know every step of the way, but I feel confident that if I were to study any of the steps, they would seem logical and make sense to me. The stuff I don't know, like what happened before the Big Bang, is not actually something I consider terribly important. It doesn't really bother me much that we'll probably never know.

All in all, I feel well grounded and spiritually satisfied. My "faith" is strong.

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Yeah, I just wish I could find a more compelling reason to go on other than, "Well, I don't feel like killing myself, so I might as well keep on keepin' on." That goes for morality as well as surviving in general.
When I was younger, before I knew what I was going to study and before I met my wife and so on, I remember how life occasionally felt ultimately pointless. I think each of us just have to define for ourselves what it is we live for. That's a truth I think, although I definitely accept that I come from a line of ancestors stretching back billions of years who kept on birthing the next generation and I'm prepared to do my part like the ones before.
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Yeah, I just wish I could find a more compelling reason to go on other than, "Well, I don't feel like killing myself, so I might as well keep on keepin' on." That goes for morality as well as surviving in general.
How about this: As a living being, it is the most fundamental part of your nature to fight against decay and oblivion. It's what makes us what we are. Why not embrace it?
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How about this: As a living being, it is the most fundamental part of your nature to fight against decay and oblivion. It's what makes us what we are. Why not embrace it?
Well, it seems rather empty to keep everything going just for the sake of keeping it going. It just seems to say that it's worth tricking ourselves into thinking that we're doing something worthwhile, when all we're doing is perpetuating a system that doesn't matter anyway. In the end it's all just a delusion that has no importance. Why should we? If we pressed a button that ended the world, the universe wouldn't care, and we wouldn't even be around to feel sad that we were gone.
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Well, it seems rather empty to keep everything going just for the sake of keeping it going. It just seems to say that it's worth tricking ourselves into thinking that we're doing something worthwhile, when all we're doing is perpetuating a system that doesn't matter anyway. In the end it's all just a delusion that has no importance. Why should we? If we pressed a button that ended the world, the universe wouldn't care, and we wouldn't even be around to feel sad that we were gone.
As pointless as following a delusion and projecting your own artificial meaning to life is, it's nowhere near as pointless as sitting on this rock pointing out just how pointless our pointless existence really is.
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