Transgender in Disney

Howard the Duck · 01-04-2012, 08:19 AM

i don't think Disney is interested at all in any social agendas, anyway

besides the stabs at fundie Muslims in the Aladdin opening song

i've yet to see a Disney film about the dangers of drug abuse, tackling homosexuality or, say, corporate greed

Above · 01-04-2012, 09:12 AM

For the person who asked, male hormones would just make me more aggressive.

hip hop bunny hop · 01-04-2012, 10:41 AM

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I don't know who it was but they said something along the lines of causing confusion to children and they really wouldn't understand until they were a bit older. I don't see why it has to be put in disney films. Its not like its nessesary for them to know. Many people know their not 'normal' at very young ages or want to be of opposite sexes at young ages, I don't see the harm in allowing them to do what they want, but there's no real reason that transgender transitions should be showed by disney.

Do you think institutions which primarily serve very young children (elementary schools, for example) should be allowed to fire employees for being transgender?

TheBig3 · 01-04-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Do you think institutions which primarily serve very young children (elementary schools, for example) should be allowed to fire employees for being transgender?

I think this is a misunderstanding of what transgender is. This is on part with saying you should be able to fire someone who was born with a high metabolism, or an increased risk of male pattern baldness.

Transgender is a result of opposing hormonal releases at birth: one for the body, and one for the brain. Its not something changeable, its a very real piece of who you are. On what basis is this a reason to fire someone, and more importantly - what sort of society would we be for making decisions on something people have no control over.

Its not what the country is about, or stands for and any institution that is born of the State needs to uphold the ideals of the State regardless of what the situation is.

Paedantic Basterd · 01-04-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Do you think institutions which primarily serve very young children (elementary schools, for example) should be allowed to fire employees for being transgender?

On what basis? Do you think they're a danger to children?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-05-2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I don't get this. Whats the point of putting a transgendered child into a Disney film? If you have a transgendered child, or think you do, and you don't want them to be persecuted, move out of the Bible belt where those anti-science nutbags thing its a curable thing.

Disney isn't going to help you.

You said it all Big3.

ThePhanastasio · 01-05-2012, 12:42 AM

I think the implication is that to a lot of people, the connotation brought up with "transgender" is overtly sexual in nature. The problem with this is that it's inaccurate. As adults, parents are aware of the sexual nature of things which are going on in the world, whereas children are not. But with this comes their need to explain things to their children.

Instead of giving an acceptable, "That's a man," in the case of a female to male transgender gentleman, or vice versa, they look past common sense. At the same time, if there happened to be an especially masculine woman, the parents tend to have no problem simply correcting their child's incorrect use of pronouns in reference to the person.

A big problem is, naturally, acceptance. That's obvious. But honestly, if it was more accepted, a parent wouldn't feel uncomfortable - or, incorrectly feel "obligated" to explain sexuality of something that isn't any more sexual than any other person you come across walking down the street.

The important thing is accepting transgender persons as the gender they identify with.

But, with that logic, Disney could easily have portrayed trans characters in the past. I mean, how often have you seen female characters voiced by men in cartoons, and vice versa? It's just never called to attention that they were physically born the opposite gender.

TheBig3 · 01-05-2012, 07:06 AM

Right, not to mention it would have to be shoe-horned in to almost every plot for a child. it would have almost nothing to do with the story line unless it was about someones discovery of them being a transgendered person, and that isn't usually the topic for childrens movies.

Queen Boo · 01-05-2012, 09:03 AM

I read that gender dysmorphic children relate to mermaids because of their indeterminate genitalia.

TheBig3 · 01-05-2012, 09:18 AM

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I read that gender dysmorphic children relate to mermaids because of their indeterminate genitalia.

Could you elaborate on that more because I don't understand how that could be. Not the mermaid piece, but the genitalia piece.

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