Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Phantom Limb · 02-07-2012, 12:54 PM

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Hopefully it will spread across the nation.

Me too. There's absolutely no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry. There's supposed to be a separation of church and state, but all of the arguments against gay marriage I've heard have been religious. I just hope people come to their senses.

midnight rain · 02-07-2012, 12:58 PM

It's no different than how women and black people were treated 50 years ago. Funny how plain that is to see for people on MB, yet the ignorant people in our society are too blinded by their hatred to see the connection.

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Originally Posted by Phantom Limb

Me too. There's absolutely no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry. There's supposed to be a separation of church and state, but all of the arguments against gay marriage I've heard have been religious. I just hope people come to their senses.

**** religion. Religion seems to foster more hate than good.

blastingas10 · 02-07-2012, 03:49 PM

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It's no different than how women and black people were treated 50 years ago. Funny how plain that is to see for people on MB, yet the ignorant people in our society are too blinded by their hatred to see the connection.

**** religion. Religion seems to foster more hate than good.

Is same sex marriage even mentioned in the bible? I don't understand where the foundation of their hate for gay marriage comes from. It seems like it's just some personal belief that religious people have, and because they are religious, they justify it as a religious belief. But it's not just religious people that don't like gay marriage. There are plenty of non religious people who are just flat out hateful towards things that are different from themselves.

Alfred · 02-07-2012, 05:01 PM

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Is same sex marriage even mentioned in the bible? I don't understand where the foundation of their hate for gay marriage comes from. It seems like it's just some personal belief that religious people have, and because they are religious, they justify it as a religious belief. But it's not just religious people that don't like gay marriage. There are plenty of non religious people who are just flat out hateful towards things that are different from themselves.

"Do ye not know that unrighteous persons shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who make women of themselves, nor who abuse themselves with men,"
1 Corinthians 6:9

blastingas10 · 02-07-2012, 05:52 PM

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"Do ye not know that unrighteous persons shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who make women of themselves, nor who abuse themselves with men,"
1 Corinthians 6:9

Thanks for that. I guess gays "make women of themselves". That's a funny way to put it. Damn bible.

hip hop bunny hop · 02-07-2012, 04:28 PM

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It's no different than how women and black people were treated 50 years ago. Funny how plain that is to see for people on MB, yet the ignorant people in our society are too blinded by their hatred to see the connection.

Let's look at how voting on Prop 8 broke down by major ethnic groups:

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So, most Black Americans deny this connection. Further, let's keep in mind:

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African Americans, energized by Barack Obama's presidential bid, boosted their numbers at the polls this year to 10 percent of the state's electorate, up from 6 percent in 2004.

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...which is huge.

And then the court goes against popular will, in a judgment which is not being derided solely among conservatives;

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...it confirms conservative claims that judges are running amok -- inventing new rights and substituting their preferences for those of the people acting through democratic institutions.

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So, Black Americans deny there is a relationship between Gay Marriage and the Civil Rights Movement, turn out in massive numbers and help defeat Gay Marriage, and then the Appeals Court makes their involvement in this defeat irrelevant.

...and you want to sell this is as a victory for civil rights? Really?

**Janszoon** · 02-07-2012, 04:33 PM

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...and you want to sell this is as a victory for civil rights? Really?

People who were denied civil rights now have them in California. Therefore it's a victory for civil rights. Pretty simple really.

FRED HALE SR. · 02-07-2012, 04:39 PM

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People who were denied civil rights now have them in California. Therefore it's a victory for civil rights. Pretty simple really.

I assume this will be overturned. I kind of agree with HHB on this, they went through the democratic process and voted and lost. Not saying its right, but thats why they voted in the first place.

**Janszoon** · 02-07-2012, 04:45 PM

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I assume this will be overturned. I kind of agree with HHB on this, they went through the democratic process and voted and lost. Not saying its right, but thats why they voted in the first place.

Civil rights are not something that should be up for the popular vote though, that's the thing. It's what the founding fathers were referring to when they talked about "the tyranny of the mob".

FRED HALE SR. · 02-07-2012, 04:55 PM

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Civil rights are not something that should be up for the popular vote though, that's the thing. It's what the founding fathers were referring to when they talked about "the tyranny of the mob".

I agree its an unfortunate platform. My only grievance is that the voting process doesn't seem to be respected anymore.