'Dark Knight Rises' screening shooting in suburban Denver (12 dead, 38 wounded)

LoathsomePete · 07-21-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

That's always been a debate here in the UK, that the heavy restriction on hand guns should always be enforced, as the UK shouldn't have a gun society like the USA.

We have a knife culture here, but you can't go on a huge killing spree just armed with a knife.

That's pretty much the same thing in Canada, if you were to take the amount of stabbings that happen on a national level, then factor in the population difference, I'm sure the numbers would be similar to the amount of shooting reports in the US. It's not that we're more peaceful, we just have different ways of killing each other.

**Exo** · 07-21-2012, 05:04 PM

Am I the only one who would rather be shot than stabbed? I feel you die slower when stabbed.

**Janszoon** · 07-21-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Salami

What I'm about to say is a bit biased because I'm from the UK, but I essentially agree with this. My own opinion is that the whole "freedom to bear arms" idea you Americans love so much can be far more danger than benefit, because ultimately I disagree with people being free to be able to kill people wherever they go, and the fact that virtually anyone can have access to such dangerous weapons is a point of reasonable concern.
You can complain that a "heated dispute" is heading our way, perhaps that's not such a bad thing.

Before you generalize my entire country like this again I'd just like to point out that 45% of Americans favor stricter gun control. In other words, the total number of Americans who don't fit your stereotype is nearly three times the entire population of the UK.

duga · 07-21-2012, 06:53 PM

I'm a grad student and I can safely say that I'm surprised the stress doesn't drive more people to go insane and do something like this. It isn't a setup, I'm sure the guy was genuinely disturbed.

Burning Down · 07-21-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete

That's pretty much the same thing in Canada, if you were to take the amount of stabbings that happen on a national level, then factor in the population difference, I'm sure the numbers would be similar to the amount of shooting reports in the US. It's not that we're more peaceful, we just have different ways of killing each other.

Really? I hear more about shootings than stabbings :|

LoathsomePete · 07-21-2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

Really? I hear more about shootings than stabbings :|

Shootings are definitely on the rise, and it's been awhile since I've actually bothered to look at the data so it very may well be flipped around now. I can't speak for the rest of the country (or at last not until "the device" is completed) but a lot of the gangs in B.C. are getting their weapons from the U.S. through pot trading. We've definitely had some big time shooting stories, like last year's killing of Jonathan Bacon or the previous 2009 gang war that saw a big increase in gang violence.

CanwllCorfe · 07-21-2012, 07:50 PM

I was a bit curious about gun related deaths here in the U.S., so I decided to Wiki it. We're 17th in homicides, but we're 2nd in suicides. So, I guess we're more apt to point a gun at ourselves than at another person.

blastingas10 · 07-21-2012, 08:21 PM

Well since the subject has already been changed...

I am not for gun control. Make guns illegal, how is that going to stop anyone from being killed? It's against the law to kill someone, does that stop criminals from doing it? Do laws stop criminals from doing anything? Of course not. Whether or not guns are legal or illegal, people will still get them, mostly criminals, and this puts more power in the hands of criminals... and cops. And since when aren't there corrupt cops?

Make guns illegal and that keeps the honest American from protecting his family when some criminal breaks into their house with a gun, or any other situation of the same nature. I really don't see what's so difficult to understand about it.

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You know this isn't something you can stop from happening in society.. People have always massacred other people and this is another situation where someone wanted to kill a handful of people for no reason.. What did Alfred say in the second Batman movie?

"Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

When you look at history, the greatest mass murderers have always been very powerful people, leaders, emperors, generals and they all had something none of us have today.. Women.. Look at Henry VIII, Alexander the Great, The Saxons, Genghis Khan, Hitler.. They killed millions, that bloodline passes down and I am afraid to say it is just in our DNA...

It doesn't mean we should have pat-downs and crap like that at Movie Theaters, they already rape us at airports.. I work at a grocery store, anyone could come in and kill me at anytime, it's been done before actually, we've had night employees walk outside and get robbed at gun-point, I don't have a firearm at work, we're not allowed.. Should grocery stores have extra security and pat-downs? Will outlawing firearms stop people who want to do harm to others from getting them? Absolutely not, it will never work.. Norway is a prime example of this..

I agree with this guy.

But clearly there is something I'm missing and I'm sure I'll hear about it.

TheBig3 · 07-21-2012, 08:22 PM

I don't know why this would lead to a conversation on guns when its not going to lead to a conversation on tear gas, gas masks, hair dye, or grad school.

Someone who was mentally disturbed did something illegal. If anything, we should fund more greatly mental health facilities and options, and we should have a reference check (with reference provided) for these individuals.

I remember applying for a job once where we had to provide references, one of which was a family member, because (this was a job with children) family members were more inclined to raise a red flag if they felt it was wrong. Well, why not with guns and these people? Most of them don't have 10 friends to write down anyway.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 07-21-2012, 08:56 PM

I am so disturbed by this, but as Alfred said it's not surprising. I teared up when I heard a guy shielded his girlfriend and her brother from being killed but died himself. Such heroism, even when his life was at stake.

In terms of gun control, I think some common sense is needed here. Being from New Zealand I have no experience living in an environment full of guns but I think if there was a law against civilians owning guns that could be used in mass murder, it might get better. But it's none of my business really and I'm certainly no expert.

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duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	I'm a grad student and I can safely say that I'm surprised the stress doesn't drive more people to go insane and do something like this. It isn't a setup, I'm sure the guy was genuinely disturbed. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

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CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	I was a bit curious about gun related deaths here in the U.S., so I decided to Wiki it. We're 17th in homicides, but we're 2nd in suicides. So, I guess we're more apt to point a gun at ourselves than at another person. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	I don't know why this would lead to a conversation on guns when its not going to lead to a conversation on tear gas, gas masks, hair dye, or grad school. Someone who was mentally disturbed did something illegal. If anything, we should fund more greatly mental health facilities and options, and we should have a reference check (with reference provided) for these individuals. I remember applying for a job once where we had to provide references, one of which was a family member, because (this was a job with children) family members were more inclined to raise a red flag if they felt it was wrong. Well, why not with guns and these people? Most of them don't have 10 friends to write down anyway. __________________ I've moved to a new address

07-21-2012, 08:56 PM	#40 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	I am so disturbed by this, but as Alfred said it's not surprising. I teared up when I heard a guy shielded his girlfriend and her brother from being killed but died himself. Such heroism, even when his life was at stake. In terms of gun control, I think some common sense is needed here. Being from New Zealand I have no experience living in an environment full of guns but I think if there was a law against civilians owning guns that could be used in mass murder, it might get better. But it's none of my business really and I'm certainly no expert. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots