I'll be voting for Obama. I don't believe there was a better choice 4 years ago and I still believe that to date.

I can understand how people don't want to vote for either of the big two, but honestly, isn't Obama the lesser of the two evils? It's like being asked whether you want your genitals mutilated a little or a lot, and you people are just like "I don't care, they're both bad." ****, if it has to happen I only want a small amount of scrotal torture. VOTE FOR OBAMA :/

My feeling exactly. And as sad a state of affairs it is, voting independent is essentially throwing out your vote.

My only experience with Romney is that early in his campaign he was actually running spambots on large IRC channels, that would spam "VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY!" until they got banned, then would immediately log out, change IP, change nick, and repeat the process until the network they were spamming banned the geographical area the spam was coming from.

Bloody stupid. I'd never vote for a politician that resorted to that ****.

I loved Obama when he was campaigning for his initial presidency.
Now, 4 years later, I realize that what he took on was a burden, but I would have liked to see an improvement by now in some of the immediate factors, rather than a downgrade.

Whether the issue is that he isn't capable of bringing his vision about and only used it as a campaigning platform, or that opposing parties have gotten in the way, I think another 4 years with the same partisan layout in the house and senate will make no difference, and trends will continue as they have been. It wouldn't make sense to think that suddenly, with the same scenario as the last 4 years, that the next would be any different. Something has to change, and it's not simply a hook, line and sinker.

The only true test would be for Dems to get a majority seat, and Obama re-elected, and have another 4 years to see the promises come to fruition. But then again, we'd still be betting on campaign promises that, historically, have always been a bit shy to put it mildly. Not to mention the fact that the Dems had a majority before the last elections, after Obama had already been in office.
But still, giving time the benefit of the doubt, I'd be interested to see what Obama could do with a majority and another 4 years.

Do I think that will happen? Majority? Maybe not. 4 more years? Maybe so. So if change is going to come down the pipe, something pretty drastic will have to happen, and I guess I just don't see it happening. But who's to say?

As far as Romney, I don't like the guy as he's flopped harder than a fish out of water, and I generally don't like people who base rational decisions on religious considerations, but there are some things I agree with in regard to job creation and economic issues that I think the right has better ideas for.
Ultimately, for me to choose either candidate, I would be both supporting values I hold, and forsaking values I hold. The real choice is which of those values do I think will benefit me for the next 4 years, at least until someone with more than a dazzling speech and someone with more than a stringent, uncompromising ideology comes along.

So yea, my vote goes to Mr. Kitty.

Well, I, like many people who prefer the Old Right, found Obama preferable to McCain as The O gave lipservice to the notion of a non-interventionist/pragmatic foreign policy. This distinction was key to me as once the market bottomed out the differences in economic policy became negligible to me.

However, The O has been ineffective & damaging in terms of foreign policy. My biggest gripes in this area would be the efforts at nation building in afghanistan, the involvement in Libya's civil war, support for the populist movements in the "arab spring", his inability to reign in Bibi's government in Israel, support for Syrian rebels, etc. It's been a sad continuation of Bush era ideology.

This time around, I don't see much difference in foreign policy between the two. The tones in regards to Iran are much different, but the practical difference seems to be negligible. If The O is unable to restrain Bibi from launching an Israeli strike, the practical consequences would be much the same as the US participating in the attack itself. Further, both seem to be enthralled by the NeoCon notion of universal rights/democracy.

Further, I do not like the pandering The O is attempting with this little faux amnesty for illegal immigrants. When facing massive unemployment, I do not see why he would not put american citizens first.... it's not controversial to point out that labor is treated as a commodity in this economy, & consequently increasing the supply by millions would have a detrimental effect on employment figures. Further, considering these immigrants tend to have minimal skill sets, & the worse effects of the economic depression are felt by the low skill set citizenry, this will just make things worse. I understand the political calculus of it, but I've yet to hear how this will benefit working class citizens.

Lastly, The O's biggest themes are (1) we could be worse off, which - even if true - isn't a reason to continue to support him, & (2) it's the darn congressional Republicans fault things aren't better, which is an admission that he has been ineffective in dealing with the opposition. Since this opposition will, in all likelihood, continue to exist in sufficient quantity that it will still be able to continue to cockblock legislation, there's no reason to expect this will change if he gets four more years. Will economic legislation fundamentally be different? I doubt it.... we'll likely see some variation of the simpson-bowles plan implemented, but the longer it's put off the more damage will be done, & doing it will be massivelly unpopular with most of the public & with many key constituencies. Meaning, doing it will require massive amounts of political skill in dealing with the opposition which The O has shown to lack. Hell, he's unable to get his own party in line within Congress....

Considering that neither party will likely have control of both houses of congress & the presidency, compromise legislation will result, & Romney has shown himself to be more effective at such compromise legislation than Obama.

If you're curious, my ideal candidate would have the following positions:

-oppose mass immigration & amnesty for illegals
-oppose free trade agreements
-have a strictly non-interventionist foreign policy, including abstaining from UN "Peacekeeping" missions & preventing the UN from being used as a tool of imperial policy
-promote secularism on the federal level & allow individual states to decide these pseudo-religious/cultural litmus test questions (abortion, weed, gay marriage, etc.)

Thank God I cannot vote for the president of the US. And I feel kinda sorry for all of you guys, because you don't really have a choice that matters. Always the same, democrats or republicans, no chance for something new... and every time the same old promises.

But it's not different here in Germany. A few more choices, but the rules are made by the industry, not by the politicians. No matter where you are. It's everywhere the same.
$$$ rules, not you.

Sorry for being offtopic, but since we're in a political thread, Floyd, your crafty edit of your signature makes me think you believe this forum is some sort of democracy governed by practices you enjoy elsewhere...

Oh boy, will we have fun with you!

I don't really know if my english is good enough to completely get you right, Freebase, and I don't know what you mean by the democratic practices I seem to enjoy, but apparently they include freedom of speech.

And yes, I am pissed because I may not post a link to the greatest contribution to music I have ever made, while everybody else may have a whole array of links to their personal stuff. The sig will change again, if my account survives the next 24 hours, and it still includes the link.

Call me childish. I know, I am.
Call me fool. Guess you're right.
Do whatever you like, just don't treat me unfair.

Come on guys! We all know there is only one man who can make America great again. You know what to do...
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