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Old 11-07-2012, 10:00 AM   #471 (permalink)
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Perhaps the republican party should split into two parties. One for more or less regular people who like right wing politics and another one for sexist, gay-hating, abortion loathing, xenophobic, gun-toting rednecks and fanatical christians.

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Old 11-07-2012, 10:03 AM   #472 (permalink)
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Perhaps the republican party should split into two parties. One for more or less regular people who like right wing politics and another one for sexist, gay-hating, abortion loathing, xenophobic, gun-toting rednecks and fanatical christians.
I have a pretty strong suspicion that something along those lines will happen in our lifetime. The more time goes by the more I think were going to start seeing the latter group you reference start drifting off into a fringe extremist party (or parties) while the republican party turns into a party that's more about simply fiscal conservatism.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:09 AM   #473 (permalink)
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It's happened before with the Democrats as the parties were beginning the shift to different sides post WWII. The ignorant reactionary racists split off and formed the Dixiecrats who naturally embarrassed themselves by being a bunch of idiots. Seeing as those guys are now firm Republicans maybe there's another opportunity for the party to clear itself of the scum leeching off of it.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:15 AM   #474 (permalink)
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The last one, I think.



It's not really bogus - it's just not democratic. If the US was truly democratic, we would simply count up every individual vote and the highest sum wins.
But the US is not and never has been a democracy (that is a myth or a semantic problem), it's always been a republic. Which, in a way, is a good thing because it gives more power to localities over the federal government. It's complicated.

Edit: Obama has now won. Unless a lingering problem mounts in Ohio or Florida like we saw in the 2000 and 2004 elections.
Jimmy Carter was the last Democrat to take Texas. Ever since its been landslide of Republicans.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:41 AM   #475 (permalink)
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@batlord, it's funny because Tore seems to want Right-Wing politics to be anything but reactionary, :P

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I have a pretty strong suspicion that something along those lines will happen in our lifetime. The more time goes by the more I think were going to start seeing the latter group you reference start drifting off into a fringe extremist party (or parties) while the republican party turns into a party that's more about simply fiscal conservatism.
I doubt it. Fissures in the Republican party are nothing compared to those in the Democrats. If we pretended people voted for reasons other than identity politics, I'd place money on a party emerging which unites fiscal populism with reactionary Christian morality across racial lines, consider:



The single most reliable ethnic constituency of Democrats are blacks. Despite this, when gay rights - a Democratic pet project if there very was one - went to the ballot, they were more conservative than Whites.

Latinos & Blacks tend to vote Democrat for reasons economic & because of identity politics. I don't think this is sustainable because (1) their religious/cultural views conflict strongly with those of liberal whites/jew/asians, & (2) because the economic life of these groups continue to move apart.
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@batlord, it's funny because Tore seems to want Right-Wing politics to be anything but reactionary, :P
Man, what a lame sense of humour you have.
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I doubt it. Fissures in the Republican party are nothing compared to those in the Democrats. If we pretended people voted for reasons other than identity politics, I'd place money on a party emerging which unites fiscal populism with reactionary Christian morality across racial lines, consider:



The single most reliable ethnic constituency of Democrats are blacks. Despite this, when gay rights - a Democratic pet project if there very was one - went to the ballot, they were more conservative than Whites.

Latinos & Blacks tend to vote Democrat for reasons economic & because of identity politics. I don't think this is sustainable because (1) their religious/cultural views conflict strongly with those of liberal whites/jew/asians, & (2) because the economic life of these groups continue to move apart.
You do realize you have actually just said nothing that backs up your doubts about what I said about the republican party, right?
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You do realize you have actually just said nothing that backs up your doubts about what I said about the republican party, right?
whoops. Let me expand on:

If we pretended people voted for reasons other than identity politics,

In other words, most people vote Republican because said party is evolving into an white identity party. The party is already mostly white, so major fissures won't occur.
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If we pretended people voted for reasons other than identity politics,

In other words, most people vote Republican because said party is evolving into an white identity party. The party is already mostly white, so major fissures won't occur.
They sure seemed to be spinning the importance of adding Rubio to their agenda last night. Seems like they're moving towards the Latino vote and that makes sense considering Latinos will be the majority in 2016.
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They sure seemed to be spinning the importance of adding Rubio to their agenda last night. Seems like they're moving towards the Latino vote and that makes sense considering Latinos will be the majority in 2016.
Your math is off by a few decades.

Regardless, yeah, they trot out the few colourful faces in the party, but I doubt it'll be successful. If the Republicans were going to split amongst ideological lines, it would've been in '92 when Buchanan challenged Bush. Notions of white identity will continue to trump ideology in the Republican party as Whites lose their grip on power.

The only Latino group I could see them making further inroads with would be white latinos (not mestizos, blacks, etc.), considering the prevalent racism in latin america.
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