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Old 11-09-2012, 02:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sounds like Breivik needs to spend a little time warming up in a Syrian prison.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Guy wouldn't last a day in Tent City. Its too hot!!!! Make up your mind loser.

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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There's prisoners in some of the world's most squalid prisons who would probably give anything to be in a cold cell in Norway, eating bread with no butter and drinking cold coffee.

The guy killed 77 people in cold blood, he's lucky that Norway no longer has capital punishment. The fucking nerve.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I was as furious as Trollheart when I saw Brevik's complaints in the news.

Watched this movie recently, I think it makes a point on how to punish a murderer: The Secret in Their Eyes (2009) - IMDb
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I'll be nice and concise here: If the UK leaves the EU I'll leave the UK, Belarus is a very poor example of what goes on in Europe nowadays and that dirty scumbag should be grateful he's being protected from being straight-up murdered by vigilantes in his cold, butterless cell.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:26 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I'll be nice and concise here: If the UK leaves the EU I'll leave the UK
Why would you leave the UK? What difference does it make to you if they're in the EU or not?
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:03 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Why would you leave the UK? What difference does it make to you if they're in the EU or not?
I realise that not everyone agrees with me, that it's not a black-and-white issue and that I'm completely exaggerating my actual reaction, but I think the EU is the best thing that's ever happened to Europe. Talk about how bad the Eurozone is in the crisis, but without it Greece and the Iberians would likely have collapsed anyway without any way of being bailed out by the significantly wealthier countries like Germany and France. It's basically a kind of international redistribution of wealth to ensure that the poorer members aren't completely wrecked without any support from the richest members. Also I think a lot of support for Euroscepticism comes from pig-headed patriotism and pure greed, two things that I despise.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:30 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I realise that not everyone agrees with me, that it's not a black-and-white issue and that I'm completely exaggerating my actual reaction, but I think the EU is the best thing that's ever happened to Europe.
Given the fact that the original concept behind a full European Union was to prevent any future wars between European powers and then updated to make Europe into an economic power that can match the USA and Japan etc it has achieved its aims, I won't dispute any of this.

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Talk about how bad the Eurozone is in the crisis, but without it Greece and the Iberians would likely have collapsed anyway without any way of being bailed out by the significantly wealthier countries like Germany and France.
But why should these countries be bailed out by the richer countries? These countries are in this state because of mismanagement of their economies, rampant corruption and a spend spend mentatlity. Now they expect to be bailed out.

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It's basically a kind of international redistribution of wealth to ensure that the poorer members aren't completely wrecked without any support from the richest members.
This is all good and well, but when the poorer members abuse that support, I think the support should stop.

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I hate rampant patriotism as well, but you need to remember that throughout history, that Europe has been divided down nationalist and economic lines and there is an almost in-bred divison between a lot of the states. On top of that the UK has always had 'an island mentality' that makes us in many ways a seperate entity from much of mainland Europe.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:14 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I think Euroscepticism comes from people having all of it forced on them.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:49 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Yeah, I fully get what you're saying with bail-outs. It's pure stupid idealism on my part but I don't like the idea of people who aren't necessarily responsible for their countries messing up their economy suffering together with the idiots who caused the problem in the first place. You could say they're beginning to learn their lessons in some cases. I can't imagine the Italians will elect another Berlusconi any time soon unless they really are that stereotypically lecherous and... well, Greece appears to be going Nazi again and the economy was pretty much the only thing they did well and I'm really grasping at straws/entering controversial territory here. I guess bailouts do have the advantage of putting the corrupt economies more in the hands of nations who are still afloat because they've gotten some of the corruption out of their system already. And honestly, I don't think most of the richer Eurozone countries could really pretend they're so innocent themselves. The UK has just as many tax-dodgers and exploitative upper-middle class dickheads as it did before the recession. The main reason we're not completely collapsing is because we have so much of an economy to burn through.
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