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Unknown Soldier · 11-10-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Circe

Yeah, I fully get what you're saying with bail-outs. It's pure stupid idealism on my part but I don't like the idea of people who aren't necessarily responsible for their countries messing up their economy suffering together with the idiots who caused the problem in the first place. You could say they're beginning to learn their lessons in some cases. I can't imagine the Italians will elect another Berlusconi any time soon unless they really are that stereotypically lecherous and... well, Greece appears to be going Nazi again and the economy was pretty much the only thing they did well and I'm really grasping at straws/entering controversial territory here. I guess bailouts do have the advantage of putting the corrupt economies more in the hands of nations who are still afloat because they've gotten some of the corruption out of their system already. And honestly, I don't think most of the richer Eurozone countries could really pretend they're so innocent themselves. The UK has just as many tax-dodgers and exploitative upper-middle class dickheads as it did before the recession. The main reason we're not completely collapsing is because we have so much of an economy to burn through.

Sure, the advantage of what has happened now makes these more corrupt states tow the line more and to be more transparent in their economic dealings. They now realize how close they've fallen near the precipice and hopefully would've learnt their lessons. The economic disaster was something that most were totally unprepared for anyway.

You're right about the UK economy, it's the second most important economy in Europe and therefore had a lot to burn through than those at the other end of the barrel such as Greece.

Personally, I think the EU should be smaller and more compact in size anyway. As there are still too many countries to create a cohesive union, with too many national laws and injustices that just don't meet up to the guidelines laid down by Brussels. I really don't see what use countries like Bulgaria and Romania just to name two, are for the greater good of the EU and I dread the day if Turkey ever gains entry!

Circe · 11-10-2012, 11:25 AM

I imagine that as the EU expands it will eventually be able to occupy a role like, say, NATO, as well as its usual economic and political responsibilities. They may not seem like much, but not letting the weaksauce Balkan states into our club wouldn't reflect too well on our ideal of unified Europe. I do imagine Turkey will probably join one day, and that might not be too bad in the long run. It'll keep them distanced from Iran and Saudi, which is always a good thing.

Burning Down · 11-10-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Circe

I imagine that as the EU expands it will eventually be able to occupy a role like, say, NATO, as well as its usual economic and political responsibilities. They may not seem like much, but not letting the weaksauce Balkan states into our club wouldn't reflect too well on our ideal of unified Europe. I do imagine Turkey will probably join one day, and that might not be too bad in the long run. It'll keep them distanced from Iran and Saudi, which is always a good thing.

I think that Greece is the only Balkan state in the EU so far, right? I know that Serbia is a candidate and possible Croatia as well.

Unknown Soldier · 11-10-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

I think that Greece is the only Balkan state in the EU so far, right? I know that Serbia is a candidate and possible Croatia as well.

It's only Bulgaria, Romania and Greece. The three are hardly a great advert for the EU.

Unknown Soldier · 11-10-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Circe

I imagine that as the EU expands it will eventually be able to occupy a role like, say, NATO, as well as its usual economic and political responsibilities. They may not seem like much, but not letting the weaksauce Balkan states into our club wouldn't reflect too well on our ideal of unified Europe. I do imagine Turkey will probably join one day, and that might not be too bad in the long run. It'll keep them distanced from Iran and Saudi, which is always a good thing.

The Eastern European states were always desired to keep them clear of any Russian influence, but that has backfired as Russia now has one of the world's best economies and these countries now need to trade with Russia, to stop them from collapsing. The old adage of Turkey as a buffer state against the Arab states is the only reason they're wanted (they're a Nato state too) But a country that has a history of rampant inflation, medieval laws, sexism and the violent supression of ethnic and sexual minorities, as far as I'm concerned has no place in an EU that prides itself on equality.

If you join a club, you abide by its rules, if you want your opinion heard once in the club, then there is the possiblity to do so. Most of these fringe countries can't quite grasp this basic principal and just want to join the EU for they can get out of it, whilst still playing by their own rules in their own country.

Circe · 11-10-2012, 11:33 AM

It doesn't really reflect well on me that I just had to look that up, but no, Romania and the Bulgarians are in it as well. Not sure about Serbia and the Croats, but I imagine having them together in one group might be... tense.

11-10-2012, 11:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
Circe Blunt After Blunt After Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: In a French-ass restaurant Posts: 337	I imagine that as the EU expands it will eventually be able to occupy a role like, say, NATO, as well as its usual economic and political responsibilities. They may not seem like much, but not letting the weaksauce Balkan states into our club wouldn't reflect too well on our ideal of unified Europe. I do imagine Turkey will probably join one day, and that might not be too bad in the long run. It'll keep them distanced from Iran and Saudi, which is always a good thing.

11-10-2012, 11:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
Circe Blunt After Blunt After Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: In a French-ass restaurant Posts: 337	It doesn't really reflect well on me that I just had to look that up, but no, Romania and the Bulgarians are in it as well. Not sure about Serbia and the Croats, but I imagine having them together in one group might be... tense.