Yeah, what I meant was that while I don't think the Hamas Covenant is the dominant view among Palestinians (as I think they're a bit more realistic than that) they can still hate the Israeli state, without wishing for the outright genocide of Israelis/Jews.

The worst possible outcome of such a conflict is higher gas prices or aipac roping the US into yet another dumb war in some ****hole no one in their right mind cares about (except those who live there/with ethnic ties there, of course, but **** those people)....

All those innocent people are being murdered but fuck that, I don't wanna pay a bit more to fill up my car!

I think you can relax. The oil owning Arabs are about as greedy and selfish as human beings can possibly be so they won't get involved with a war that might lower their profit margin.

I don't have a TV or politically charged friends nor did the OP elaborate nor have any of the posts specifically said what is going on, so may I ask wtf is this all about?

A few people getting upset that the Isrealis have bombed civilians which includes children, sure its upsetting but this is a daily ocurrence in some parts of the Middle East.

It didn't actually start out as it's own thread, it was just a discussion on the "Your Day" thread that got off topic.

Oh. Cool.
Yeah I know, I've read the thread. Just pointing stuff out to make my sentence comically long is all.

Ah right, my bad.

It has nothing to do with getting upset. My point wasn't about Israel bombing civilians. The original point was the other side of the conflict is part of an oppressed reason. Not just because of terrorism for the sake of it (only part of the population are terrorists) and that they're both in the wrong by both terrorising each other. Instead of pointing at just them and the entire Arab nation.

Anyway I'm going to leave it at that, and humbly agree to disagree. It seems like we're just going in circles by now. :P

I skimmed this thread and it was still a waste of time. I don't know how a thread with such a thoughtful OP went so wrong.

Like all other political threads here, people are outraged at everything, given their intellectual superiority, and when their done showing how smart they are and masturbating to their own talking points, they turn to chortle-ready one-liners about some cultural corner-stone.

I don't care, but I hope you realize that this is how you look. You're welcome, because this is the Current Events version of "you have some spinach in your teeth."

Now get out there and take that broad home.

:clap:

I just don't even know what to say to that.

I mean honestly. I don't even like spinach...

Amen.

This is a banter forum, if you don't like it piss off, if we want to masturbate then it's our right too. Just thought I'd share that viewpoint with you.

Shariah Law is pretty backwards. They actually feel science and dna is the work of the devil. If a girl gets raped or assaulted in a Shariah Law country, good luck getting indictment or proper investigation.

you're welcome to cavort around looking like a hipster on foreign policy if you'd like to. No offense taken here.

Where I am there's nothing hip about it at all. It's old news that's been discussed until the cows come home, but it's still a good bone to chew on.

Wow, cool islamophobia bro, I mean, it's not like we have politicians in our country who think "some girls are easy to rape" or "a woman's body shuts down when she's raped!" or, you know, most rapes are not even reported, let alone convicted HERE IN THE GOOD OL USA! Really, you're on the internet, is it that hard to google?

Well if this is a hipster discussion, can I just say that I was an islamaphobe way before it was cool to be one.

I never said there are no rapes in the USA

I said that under Shariah Law, they believe DNA and other forensic evidence or any witness accounts from women, are not evidence, under their law, over what a guy says

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: What Must a Woman Do to Prove Rape?

My comment has to do with their denial of scientific advances to crime investigation (DNA, Forensic, Science) and using an ass backwards approach

at least in the US, they have the means and understanding of science to apply it to get an indictment and the investigative means to do so, so if a girl does want her rape investigated, they can have evidence

Why not read what my comment says before flying off the handle?

Even people who follow Islam disagree with Sharia Law Implementation within the countries they came from hence them immigrating to Canada, Uk, or the US

Just because someone is critical of certain aspects of another's religion, it does not mean they have a phobia against them or their beliefs

And just because someone is of certain beliefs, it does not mean I can't call them out on their BS

I feel their beliefs against the advances of technology and science is stupid and it does not make me an islamophobe

Lastly, if no rapes are reported as you say, then how exactly can you come up with a rational summation that most rapes are not reported without an actual statistical study and investigation that there have been rapes and they were not reported

What does any of this have to with the topic being discussed in this thread?

The title of the thread is

The Wild & Wacky World Of The Middle East

I find it wacky and wild that there are some countries that feel science should not be used in criminal investigation of rape, but rather implement a human interpretation of what it says in the Quran and that in some parts of the Middle East, among a percentage of the people, not all, they follow those interpretations

So, basically, you didn't bother reading any of the posts in this thread before commenting. Hint: it's not a repository non sequiturs about Muslims.

Well if the main theme of the whole thread is Israel vs a Middle Eastern nation and the OP does not like Israelites, why not name the thread entirely differently?

Why do I have the feeling Urban set this thing up to fail? :laughing:

Because it's assumed that anyone who wants to join the conversation would actually read the conversation before commenting. Pretty simple really.

Yes but

if I start a conversation on a subject, I dont name the title something that has nothing entirely to do with the issue of the conversation at hand

as well

the OP simply stated "F" word "Israel"

That is not really helpful as to the connotation of the actual totality of the direction the conversation can go

For example, if I write a book about cars and how to fix them, I dont name the book "How To Fix Airplanes"

That's fantastic. If you continue with the off-topic posts (as you also have a habit of doing in other threads, regardless of title), I'm just going to start deleting them.

You're not being sarcastic now are you?

CrossTalk on Gaza: Pillar of Hypocrisy - YouTube

If you can pick one side which is absolutely in the right on this issue, then you don't understand it.

And that video above is one of the most biased videos I have ever seen.

It's not exactly biased when there are two sides going at it...

*well you did this and did that*
*well we were trying to defend ourselves*
*well you started it*
*no you did*
*those 400 rockets I'm randomly putting in from ages ago*
*wtf are you talking about?*
*well that's why we're still bombing you and told them to evacuate centres*
*yes evacuate nowhere 120 were killed*
*well that's because you don't care about your own*
*oh ok so you might as well kill them*
*terrorism terrorism terrorism*
*yes you're continually occupying and colonising our country*
*yes but your president gave us 99.1% of it*
*... Did you seriously just say that?*

That video is what I was trying to point out mostly. But man, that was hilarious.

xD haha

The video is kind of conflicting in the sense that almost all media outlets I've read stated that in the lead up to the Israeli airstrikes, there had been at least 500 rockets fired by Hamas to begin with. This doesn't justify the killing of civilians and I'm glad that another occupation of the Gaza strip has been averted for the time being.

I don't know why I say this but I can never take Hamas seriously. It may be because as mentioned before in this thread, one of their official doctrines for a very long time had been the protocols of the elders of zion. I view antisemitism as a disease and whilst there are varying degrees of which it exists, the real and extreme ones almost always invariably turns out to be some sort of a "I want to get rid of a group of human beings". Traditionally, the conflicts have always been viewed as "Israel vs the Arabs". For this reason, even with the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, I don't think Israel will ever have peace and security of any lasting impact. Israel is of course part of the problem and not simply at the receiving end.

It is very biased if you consider:
1. The title "pillar of HYPOCRISY" right off the bat.
2. The interviewer is biased.
3. Two of the three interviewees are pro Palestine.

What does that have to do with the actual points being made? It's a discussion about the current events of bombing. "Pillar of Hypocrisy" is just the questionable subject.

It's no different to any other video, the underdog often gets the sympathy vote in these things.

What's the solution? Dismantling the state of Isreal and allowing their people to emigrate to countries where they have family (but not all have family abroad) that would of course bring stability to the area but of course is almost impossible to do. Their only option is to continue securing their own state from agressive neighbours which they've been doing for decades now and as they say, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs!

The interviewer is following instructions (from the TV channel) and allowing the underdog (the Palestinians) in this case to give a stronger opinion than that of the Isrealis.

The Palestinian interviewee is backed by a British film-maker who is extremely biased anyway. The Jewish interviewee was not a good choice, as he's pretty hopeless at getting his point across cohesively.

The best point of the whole interview that was only briefly touched upon, is that Hamas had placed their military assets in residential locations, so near where children are based. Hamas knew what they were doing here and knew would lead to two distinct possibilties 1) Placing these military installations in a residential attack to avoid attack or 2) Placing these military installations in a residential attack to encourage an attack and then when civilian casualties mounted up, they automatically would grab sympathy. Hamas don't give a shit about civilian casualties, they're just means to an end.

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They have a word for that: bias.

Israel is going to have one hell of an omelette once they've dealt with all their "aggressive" neighbors :laughing:

Well, all their neighbours will definitely end up "scrambled".

Aye aye!