What pisses me off most about science

FRED HALE SR. · 02-28-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bane of your existence

The debate is over whether or not that can be considered correlative. You can't say that people are necessarily not altruistic because they feel good when they act altruistically.

Thats a good point. Why does there have to be some underlying motive to being a caring person that does good things for people.

midnight rain · 02-28-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Thats a good point. Why does there have to be some underlying motive to being a caring person that does good things for people.

Because there's always a motive for every action, be it instictively based or experience based. We're not a blank slate of endless choices, everything that has happened to us factors into how we act in the future

FRED HALE SR. · 02-28-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

Because there's always a motive for every action, be it instictively based or experience based. We're not a blank slate of endless choices, everything that has happened to us factors into how we act in the future

So someone whos family is murdered by a serial killer becomes a serial killer? Because I lived with my dad almost my entire childhood, factors into why I do nice things for my Mother? I think you're reading too much into motive when there are simply things people do because they want to do it with no underlying motive whatsoever.

midnight rain · 02-28-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

So someone whos family is murdered by a serial killer becomes a serial killer? Because I lived with my dad almost my entire childhood, factors into why I do nice things for my Mother? I think you're reading too much into motive when there are simply things people do because they want to do it with no underlying motive whatsoever.

Uh what? I'm not even sure what you were trying to get across with your serial killer hypothetical. If you were trying to say that I was saying we simply mime everything we see, then no. That's a gross simplification of the process.

FRED HALE SR. · 02-28-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

Uh what? I'm not even sure what you were trying to get across with your serial killer hypothetical. If you were trying to say that I was saying we simply mime everything we see, then no. That's a gross simplification of the process.

Well it seems your grossly simplifying the human race. Not everything has to have motive in the World.

The Batlord · 02-28-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Well it seems your grossly simplifying the human race. Not everything has to have motive in the World.

No that's you. You don't seem to be looking at the reasons why human actions might have evolved like they have over the last few billion years. Do you think altruism just came about for no apparent reason? It would only evolve if it had a pragmatic use for our survival. You didn't give your mother money for no reason. You did it because of millions of years of evolutionary conditioning that decided that helping one's mother is in your best interest.

FRED HALE SR. · 02-28-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

No that's you. You don't seem to be looking at the reasons why human actions might have evolved like they have over the last few billion years. Do you think altruism just came about for no apparent reason? It would only evolve if it had a pragmatic use for our survival. You didn't give your mother money for no reason. You did it because of millions of years of evolutionary conditioning that decided that helping one's mother is in your best interest.

No not really I did it because I had extra money in my account and she asked me to borrow it, but if it helps you to think that evolution played a part by all means.

The Batlord · 02-28-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

So someone whos family is murdered by a serial killer becomes a serial killer? Because I lived with my dad almost my entire childhood, factors into why I do nice things for my Mother? I think you're reading too much into motive when there are simply things people do because they want to do it with no underlying motive whatsoever.

Is this supposed to be an argument for free will?