RoxyRollah

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Because I think women can go through the same thing... I have seen some crazy ****...

Saw a lady get out of her car at a stop light and knock out the other woman behind the wheel because she cut her off in traffic...

seen women get into fights at a bar over the guy they are with...

I don't think men are at a higher risk...I think that is equal... it just depends on the temper of the offender...and the would be target...

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Cuthbert

OK cool fair enough. I don't disagree.

XtremeEclectic

I think its entirely situationally dependent personally. Some 90 pound little thing clocks me and I am just going to grab her arm, keep her from hitting me, and attempt to defuse the situation. Same woman comes at me with a gun etc and they are getting knocked out. Same applies to men. Every situation is completely different its about control and keeping a level head and not going off like a stick of dynamite. Women being the weaker sex I do not believe in any way shape or form. I work at an auto shop and tow company, I have seen our little office lady put rather large angry gentlemen on the floor in a heartbeat.

CrazyVegn

IDK why but for some reason the news coverage of the body-building man whose arm exploded was cracking me up

Exactly which leads me to my theory...

I was supporting my statement about the extreme imbalance of physical strength and power regardless of size... In other words (in theory) a
little man's hit is going to be far more devastating than a tall body-building woman's.

Trollheart

That's assault and has no place in the modern world.

Fluff, I have already pointed out (though you seem to have ignored/missed it, but come to the same conclusion) that what you're talking about is not misogyny but chauvinism. A misogynist believes women are worthless and hates them, so why would he care about hitting one? Whereas a chauvinist seems to be more "I'm superior to women" which can also backflip with "Women can't defend themselves so I'll defend them." I think a chauvinist may be more likely to leap to the defence of a woman getting attacked certainly than a misogynist, who would probably cheer the attacker on.

Well, shoot! If that makes me a chauvinist then sign me up!

As for hitting back, well most times you can restrain, hold, or otherwise stop the woman from hitting you as most times they're going to be smaller and slighter than you (though nails can hurt no doubt!) but look, we're not going to agree here: to me, there is no situation, other than the ones I described (bitch comes at ME with a goddamn signed Picasso she's goin' DOWN!) where I would consider hitting a woman. I'd rather protect myself against her blows, get beaten up and make her feel bad for attacking someone who was too much of a gentleman to fight back. THAT'll show her!

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Paedantic Basterd

I will hold a door for anyone coming through it. I will thank my bus driver when I hop off at a stop. I will say please and thank you and be patient with those working in customer service. I will vacate my seat on the bus for an elderly person. I will let a car cross an intersection before I start walking.

Is there a difference between etiquette and common courtesy?

Scarlett O'Hara

I don't think there is much difference, I think they kind of blend together into a ladylike or gentlemanly like behaviour.

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Paedantic Basterd

I wouldn't necessarily say that door-holding is traditionally ladylike, but it is courteous.

I'm just trying to discern whether we're speaking about being conscientious in general, or about projecting masculine and feminine traditions.

Scarlett O'Hara

Well my initial post I spoke about liking the idea of men opening the door for me, but what I haven't mentioned is that many times I've opened a door for both sexes. It definitely shouldn't matter about what sex you are, just act courteous with people as you said.

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Paedantic Basterd

Oh, okay.

On the topic of traditional gender roles, I would say that I do not uphold etiquette norms of the past. I have no expectation of doors, coats, chairs, or being stood before, and I also expect to pay for myself on an outing.