London attack/beheading

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-22-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

I'm not convinced, the Guardian version says nothing incriminating, and I'm pretty sure the ITV version is a bad editing job cooked up to scare people.
Why have they blanked his face? No other production company blanked his face?

The Guardian video sounds like he's saying something about the Qu'ran.

ITV have broadcast his face in the original video where the clip was shorter.

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We've all seen him by now, he wanted to be seen on camera. That much is clear. Why mask his identity? Perhaps because the speech doesn't synch with his lips?
And how is the clip now longer in length? It wasn't the ITV film crew that recorded it. how have they managed to lengthen the original video?
I'm calling bullshit. ITV are in on it too, it to my mind is a clear case of editing the original clip to convey a new story.

You have got to be joking surely? He says "Almighty Allah" and the raising of his hand, presumably to the heavens, correlates with what he is saying.

In the original clip, which everyone has seen, news reporters are talking over the footage (go to the beginning of the thread, first video I posted), so we didn't know what was being said there but we knew the video was longer.

**Goofle** · 05-22-2013, 06:13 PM

Why are you guys discussing religion? If somebody goes out and kills somebody it's because they are a substantial nutter.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-22-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

Why are you guys discussing religion? If somebody goes out and kills somebody it's because they are a substantial nutter.

I'm not denying that. I'm not anti-Islam either.

Manky said there was no connection to Islam and the guys didn't mention anything, but those videos suggest they did mention Islam.

I will cut my cock off if that's an editing job.

14232949 · 05-22-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

The Guardian video sounds like he's saying something about the Qu'ran.

ITV have broadcast his face in the original video where the clip was shorter.

You have got to be joking surely? He says "Almighty Allah" and the raising of his hand, presumably to the heavens, correlates with what he is saying.

In the original clip, which everyone has seen, news reporters are talking over the footage (go to the beginning of the thread, first video I posted), so we didn't know what was being said there but we knew the video was longer.

I don't buy it. It just seems far too convenient that they've opted to blank out his face this time and suddenly he's saying more incriminating things.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-22-2013, 06:21 PM

Manky you realise in the Guardian video he says "many, many ayah throughout the Qur'an"

Ayah = Signs/evidence

Ayah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Still not convinced?

14232949 · 05-22-2013, 06:27 PM

perhaps he's a sympathiser. I too sympathise with the Muslim community, doesn't make me Muslim.
Or perhaps it's in reference to the many innocent Muslim lives that have been ended by the British Army.
Even if he is Muslim, his attacks were not religiously motivated, he explained why he killed the soldier. He didn't do it because the soldiers beliefs conflicted his.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-22-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

perhaps he's a sympathiser. I too sympathise with the Muslim community, doesn't make me Muslim.
Or perhaps it's in reference to the many innocent Muslim lives that have been ended by the British Army.
Even if he is Muslim, his attacks were not religiously motivated, he explained why he killed the soldier. He didn't do it because the soldiers beliefs conflicted his.

The fact he's mentioned ayahs suggests there is a connection to Islam. Given the videos I have posted and what he has actually said (our lands), it is not unreasonable to assume he means Muslim countries. In that case his only connection to these Muslim countries he labels as "ours" would be that he shares the same faith with the people that live there.

This guy is clearly a nutcase, I have not said anything about Islam itself, I have a Qur'an next to my bed, I am not anti-Islam by any means, but I will be astounded if this lad isn't a Muslim with very extreme views, or a convert.

Like I said, I think he's a 'road Muslim' who has possibly converted in prison. I have no evidence for that but that is just a hunch I have. It's quite common in places like Birmingham and London.

14232949 · 05-22-2013, 07:02 PM

either way, the killing wasn't motivated by religious conflict. the media just chose to hone in on the Islam element which was what annoyed me.
If the killer was homosexual, no doubt there'd have been media outlets blaming his sexuality for mutilating his victim with a machete.
But Islam and Muslims seem to be the go-to scapegoats for everything in our society so the government/media must have been licking their chops at this one.

Freebase Dali · 05-22-2013, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

either way, the killing wasn't motivated by religious conflict. the media just chose to hone in on the Islam element which was what annoyed me.
If the killer was homosexual, no doubt there'd have been media outlets blaming his sexuality for mutilating his victim with a machete.
But Islam and Muslims seem to be the go-to scapegoats for everything in our society so the government/media must have been licking their chops at this one.

What if the killer used a gun?

Freebase Dali · 05-22-2013, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

either way, the killing wasn't motivated by religious conflict. the media just chose to hone in on the Islam element which was what annoyed me.
If the killer was homosexual, no doubt there'd have been media outlets blaming his sexuality for mutilating his victim with a machete.
But Islam and Muslims seem to be the go-to scapegoats for everything in our society so the government/media must have been licking their chops at this one.

What if the killer used a gun?

(Obviously a rhetorical question)

05-22-2013, 06:21 PM	#45 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Manky you realise in the Guardian video he says "many, many ayah throughout the Qur'an" Ayah = Signs/evidence Ayah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Still not convinced?

05-22-2013, 06:27 PM	#46 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	perhaps he's a sympathiser. I too sympathise with the Muslim community, doesn't make me Muslim. Or perhaps it's in reference to the many innocent Muslim lives that have been ended by the British Army. Even if he is Muslim, his attacks were not religiously motivated, he explained why he killed the soldier. He didn't do it because the soldiers beliefs conflicted his.

05-22-2013, 07:02 PM	#48 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	either way, the killing wasn't motivated by religious conflict. the media just chose to hone in on the Islam element which was what annoyed me. If the killer was homosexual, no doubt there'd have been media outlets blaming his sexuality for mutilating his victim with a machete. But Islam and Muslims seem to be the go-to scapegoats for everything in our society so the government/media must have been licking their chops at this one.