London attack/beheading

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 05-23-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

But you have already passed judgement by considering his reaction understandable, in that your scant knowledge of western government has deemed itself as so horrendous to you, that taking lives of innocent people is in some way acceptable as a repayment, whether it is in your own moral system or not.
To understand his reaction, you have to empathize with it. You don't have to agree with it, but you are acknowledging that it is at least a justifiable recourse by someone's standards. And in that regard, you simultaneously legitimize the opposing side, which supposedly caused the scenario to begin with.

It's a loop of stupidity, because it places more weight on one side's reaction rather than the other. I'd say that when it comes to murdering people, perhaps a bit more objectivity should be put into practice without hinging something so drastic on whether one side did what or not.

You support the death penalty by any chance?

That's fair enough. I think if we had better mental health resources as a whole less things like this would happen, and I personally know that it is really hard to get a decent shrink/meds that you need if you are mentally ill because of the stigma that is placed on mental illness culturally. I think that this poor guy probably had PTSD and seeing evidence of that guy being a soldier, triggered an outburst. I feel sorry for him because he was really pushed to the edge, which was neither his our the guy's fault entirely, even though he really ****ed up, but mentally ill people aren't inherently violent, rather we tend to be on the receiving end of violence.

No, I don't support the death penalty. I think everyone should have a chance at rehabilitation and most prison systems don't allow for any real rehabilitation.

Freebase Dali · 05-23-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione

That's fair enough. I think if we had better mental health resources as a whole less things like this would happen, and I personally know that it is really hard to get a decent shrink/meds that you need if you are mentally ill because of the stigma that is placed on mental illness culturally. I think that this poor guy probably had PTSD and seeing evidence of that guy being a soldier, triggered an outburst. I feel sorry for him because he was really pushed to the edge, which was neither his our the guy's fault entirely, even though he really ****ed up, but mentally ill people aren't inherently violent, rather we tend to be on the receiving end of violence.

No, I don't support the death penalty. I think everyone should have a chance at rehabilitation and most prison systems don't allow for any real rehabilitation.

I may have missed a news story somewhere along the line, but where are you getting the mental health part from? Was the guy certifiable? I'm legitimately asking.

Also, if you don't support the death penalty, then perhaps you should be viewing the guy's actions less "understandably", since apparently he thought it justifiable to execute an innocent person because that person's government won't get off the backs of others who share the same faith. To me, that's not really a symptom of mental illness so much as it is a symptom of extremism, which has been demonstrated time after time in certain parts of the world long before the we ever entered the picture.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 05-23-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I may have missed a news story somewhere along the line, but where are you getting the mental health part from? Was the guy certifiable? I'm legitimately asking.

Also, if you don't support the death penalty, then perhaps you should be viewing the guy's actions less "understandably", since apparently he thought it justifiable to execute an innocent person because that person's government won't get off the backs of others who share the same faith. To me, that's not really a symptom of mental illness so much as it is a symptom of extremism, which has been demonstrated in certain parts of the world long before the we ever entered the picture.

Oh I didn't personally see any article saying so, totally a guess but I know from my own studies in Psych/readings whatever that PTSD is a lot more common than people think, especially in war torn countries. Being that, you know, he was triggered enough to kill someone I'd say he was pretty...out there.

No I totally get what you mean, I'm just trying to say that until we know the whole story it's going to be confusing as **** basically? I'm not sure anymore, lol. I don't think its right that he killed someone at all, definitely not, just trying to understand why anyone would be motivated to actually take the life of another.

Freebase Dali · 05-23-2013, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione

Oh I didn't personally see any article saying so, totally a guess but I know from my own studies in Psych/readings whatever that PTSD is a lot more common than people think, especially in war torn countries. Being that, you know, he was triggered enough to kill someone I'd say he was pretty...out there.

No I totally get what you mean, I'm just trying to say that until we know the whole story it's going to be confusing as **** basically? I'm not sure anymore, lol. I don't think its right that he killed someone at all, definitely not, just trying to understand why anyone would be motivated to actually take the life of another.

I hear ya.
It's just hard to categorize all extreme violence based on ideology as a mental disorder. Otherwise we should be strapping mental health experts onto the bombs we're dropping in the middle east for all the good it will do...

Burning Down · 05-23-2013, 07:10 PM

This is just terrible. I haven't read through this whole thread, no time, but I know the story. There was obviously an ulterior motive here.

Hitch · 05-23-2013, 07:30 PM

I wouldn't for a second consider this guy the spokesperson for those who are finding it tough in Iraq or Afghanistan. Let's not quickly forget that the string of suicide bombings in Iraq are targeted at muslims - on whose hand is the blood really on? the British soldier in London? I can't find anything other than strong condemnation for this delusional murderer. We should still hear him out, for what he has to say might have taken some brooding and can be revealing.

Many of these very same people are the one's who are demanding Sharia courts, separate "faith based schools" or the importation of arranged marriages in Britain. Most muslims are in fact more worried about acquiring a decent job, educating their children, and procuring a good living in general. But that doesn't repudiate criticisms of Islam, nor is it racist to criticize. There are a few callous low-brained nutbags who take this for all muslims being wicked, but c'mon, let's not be fooling ourselves here. I don't see the massive wailing, the crackpot conspiracy theories or any such similar pulse existing within the population for a form of large scale racism to surface.

Ms.Katherine · 05-23-2013, 11:20 PM

This is so sad

Sequoioideae · 05-23-2013, 11:41 PM

I don't know if any of you have seen an actual beheading, let alone one with a measly knife, but it's one of the most gruesome forms of execution I've ever seen. I'd wish that no one should have to experience one, no matter what the crime.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 05-24-2013, 01:09 AM

Thid is absolutely awful, I can't believe this happened..

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-24-2013, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Always

I don't know if any of you have seen an actual beheading, let alone one with a measly knife, but it's one of the most gruesome forms of execution I've ever seen. I'd wish that no one should have to experience one, no matter what the crime.

Seen about 15 of them probably. I'm one of those sick fuckers who has to see shock videos when I hear about them. I agree with all of that mate.

05-24-2013, 01:09 AM	#89 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	Thid is absolutely awful, I can't believe this happened.. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

05-23-2013, 07:10 PM	#85 (permalink)
Burning Down The Music Guru. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Beyond the Wall Posts: 4,858	This is just terrible. I haven't read through this whole thread, no time, but I know the story. There was obviously an ulterior motive here.

05-23-2013, 07:30 PM	#86 (permalink)
Hitch Music Addict Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 80	I wouldn't for a second consider this guy the spokesperson for those who are finding it tough in Iraq or Afghanistan. Let's not quickly forget that the string of suicide bombings in Iraq are targeted at muslims - on whose hand is the blood really on? the British soldier in London? I can't find anything other than strong condemnation for this delusional murderer. We should still hear him out, for what he has to say might have taken some brooding and can be revealing. Many of these very same people are the one's who are demanding Sharia courts, separate "faith based schools" or the importation of arranged marriages in Britain. Most muslims are in fact more worried about acquiring a decent job, educating their children, and procuring a good living in general. But that doesn't repudiate criticisms of Islam, nor is it racist to criticize. There are a few callous low-brained nutbags who take this for all muslims being wicked, but c'mon, let's not be fooling ourselves here. I don't see the massive wailing, the crackpot conspiracy theories or any such similar pulse existing within the population for a form of large scale racism to surface.

05-23-2013, 11:20 PM	#87 (permalink)
Ms.Katherine Groupie Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 2	This is so sad